Just because something is common doesn't mean it's not technologically obsoelete. In terms of standards support and the UI, IE is absolute garbage. It's the worst browser on the planet.Corporate IT likes it because Corporate IT usually has badly written internal applications that require IE's proprietary or buggy behaviour to work, and they'd rather not spend the money to fix their stuff.

And you were the one who came in to a thread about the color scheme causing eyestrain and saying that it wasn't a real problem to a bunch of people experiencing that very problem, Raven. Just what kind of reaction did you expect? It should be pretty obvious even to you that the people complaining of headaches due to the color scheme do in fact care about the color scheme.

no - the logo is still sitting on top of everything, and if anything the text is harder to read.

Can we please return to the old setting where no-one complained about colors, or give us options to do so?

edit: And RavenX, I'm sorry but you really are coming off as a bit of an ass right now, and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

editedit: Sorry, I replied to the wrong post for some reason? Anyways, logo is fixed on my end as well, was probably cached stuff - at least then thats good, thanks!

Bara, this new background color is the color of baby crap....just my opinion, but the black was way better. I feel like I'm typing out a reply on the inside of a dirty diaper now...

I only posted about the other problems because I was UNABLE to start a new thread about the title. The most important part of my post was this:

"From what I've seen the colors all come down to our Personal Tastes, our individual Opinions. I could say that I think only the old people with bad eyes are whining about the color change. Or I could say only nerds don't like Black Backgrounds with Red text....but I'm not going to say that and that's Not how I feel on the matter. It's also Not Cool to down people or call them names (even indirectly) because they may or may not like the new colors. I think we're all mature enough (or should be anyway) not to down on each other because some of us like the new colors and some don't."

I was pointing out that ALL of US should be mature enough not to down on other people because they do or don't like the new color scheme. So yeah, I expected Mature, Non-Hateful, replies...gee sorry

I'm quoting myself, because after less than 10 minutes my eyes are crying T___T

Sorry, but I call shennanagins. The very first thing you said was this:

In a thread about the color featuring people getting headaches from the color, that was bloody arrogant and aggressive. It wasn't "mature and non-hateful" at all. If what you really wanted was to draw attention to the other issue, you could have done it without starting off by attacking the on topic posters. You don't get to back out now and blame other people.

Don't all of Stardock's websites have various color schemes to match the games the sites are for? Last time I checked the GalCiv 2 and Sins forums they both had black backgrounds and for some reason the forums are Still Very Active and you don't see a bunch of people complaining. WinCustomize has it's own color scheme too which is followed on That Site. I don't see the problem with the Elemental site being black while the WinCustomize site is white or blue or gray or whatever. If you don't like browsing the Elemental forums then browse the WinCustomize forums, problem solves.

Personally, and this is my Opinion, I like the new look of the Elemental site. It's sleek and cool looking and definitely has a much more "Magical" look to it if you ask me. It fits the Game nicely, which is I suspect the reason for the change (that and the game is less than a month from launch).

So how come the GalCiv 2 forums and Sins forums aren't spammed to hell on a daily basis with complaints about the color schemes? Probably because those sites looked the way they did from the start. People tend to complain when changes are made and that's when those changes get the most "notice", when they're New Changes. It's human nature to complain about change. A lot of people don't like change of any kind because they are set in their ways. Still, I don't see why it would matter if someone on WinCustomize is complaining about what the "Elemental" site looks like, or why it would matter if someone on the Elemental site was complaining about what the GalCiv 2 site looked like. Each game's individual web sites should be allowed to have their own look without the entire community on every Stardock site getting it's panties in a wad.

The only people who's opinions should matter on what the "Elemental" site looks like should be the people ON the Elemental Site. The only people who should have the right to complain about what the WinCustomize site looks like are the people ON the WinCustomize site. It's rather asinine for people on different sites to be complaining about what other sites look like when technically they aren't even ON the sites they are complaining about. It's like people on MySpace complaining that they don't like the look of Facebook. Would Stardock change the game mechanics of Elemental because people who aren't playing the game are complaining about it? No, that would be stupid. As someone who keeps %99 of his posts on the Elemental forums I shouldn't have the right to complain about what another Stardock site looks like, and if I do complain then my complaint shouldn't be taken seriously unless I'm ON the site I'm complaining about. It's just common sense.

Yes Tridus, I agree with you there. As  said before, I only complained about the Logo and Non-Functionality in This Thread because I was UN-Able to post a NEW Thread on the subject. It doesn't matter as Bara has fixed the logo and functionality issue . Now we just need to get this baby poo backgroud color to be changed.

And it's NOT Shenanigans as both my comments are in the Same Post. If someone would have Read the Entire post instead of just quoting the first sentence they would have seen that. There's no shenanigans there my friend

You are rather passive-aggressive in your posts, RavenX, which is what people react to. Its not very nice to read them when the prevalent feeling is you being rather condescending and really not very mature

Look at your own posts for maturity content. You get what you deserve Funny, I remember you agreeing with me on that in another thread..

Unless you can do it using some URL reworking, not all the Elemental forums are visible there.

Or it could be that the Sins forum is bright white on black, and the GalCiv2 forums are also bright white on black. The Elemental forums were dark grey on black, followed by lighter grey on black.

Or to summarize: they're not the same color scheme and don't cause the same amount of eye strain. When I played Sins I was pretty active on that forum and never had the problem that I had last night and this morning here with eye strain and headaches.

This seems really hard for a couple of people to accept, but yes some of us found this scheme flat out painful. The other two don't have that problem because of the brighter text.

The people complaining are Elemental forum regulars, so I don't see your point.

If I spend the first half of this post swearing at you, I don't get a pass for it because the second half is on topic.

You opened with a direct attack on the on-topic part of the thread, then later complained about lack of maturity. Sorry, but that doesn't fly.

On the colours of the new model... Meh. They match but they just seem to be more of... dirty, unclean, old. Surely it's intended and, hey, I'd have all the posts be like the Quotes.

* no way in hell I'm using green text in red background or similar. Even I have limits.

The text here as always looked black to me. It doesn't look grey, which is why I didn't get what people were saying about grey text. I just figured they were using another browser than I was.

See, I wasn't attacking the on topic part of the topic. I was attacking the fact that I thought there were More Important things to be thinking about, like Basic Forum Functionality, which should have been addressed long before a color issue. A lot of the people posting, like myself, couldn't post a new thread At All because of the logo issue which Bara has now dealt with.

Indeed Annatar I did agree with you on the topic in another thread. But notice in my initial replies I was attacking the issue of parts of the forum not working, I wasn't attacking my fellow posters Or calling Anyone names. First I was attacking a issue (logo blocking things) and I don't see how that has any relevance on maturity level. No where in any replies do I call anyone names or do I imply that people who didn't like certain color schemes are less or more mature than others. I brought up the fact that I thought we could all be mature about this and Not call people names or down on them for liking or not liking various color schemes. THEN...you called me an ass

See what I'm getting at now, brother? I'm sorry if I came off the wrong way, I wasn't trying to attack the color issue at all, I was attacking what I considered a more important issue being over-looked. Most of my initial posts in this topic were rather "light hearted" and it was pretty obvious I was joking. The first "serious" reply to this topic was my reply where I said there were more important things that needed to be dealt with IMO.

I'm sorry that you and Tridus both seem to have taken what I said out of context. I do indeed know that sometimes the way I word my posts comes off as passive aggressive, but sometimes that's the best way to get people's attention on important issues. Over-all though I was trying to set a tone that all of us could be mature about the issue. I do apologize for calling you immature. That was immature of ME, but I also don't take too kindly to being called an ass for trying to keep everyone on a semi-decent level which is what I was mainly trying to do in my first serious reply. That and I wanted that logo fixed Asap as it was keeping me from updating my stickied post in the Elemental Ideas section.

Bara fixed all that so it's a rather moot point anyway. (Go Bara     )

I happen to think your little pic there with that layout looks particularly BAD ASS!!! That's awesome. I think it would be an improvement if we had a color scheme like that here. Then again I'm into the whole dark and evil thing...so maybe that's just me

Some guy comes on a says clearly that the forum is 'crap', and you pipe up and complain about my attitude....... and 'I'm' the TROLL! 

As far as I'm concerned people are overreacting to what is essentially 'Change', pure and simple. I personally think the forum has taken a turn for the better. The design and graphical touches are perfect, and in keeping with the game and styled artwork. I see Tridus, you are on some holy crusade in singling out people for 'correction', isn't it about time you stayed ON-TOPIC and moved on?

The New look forum is here to stay (official) deal with it. And Great Job Stardock!

By using a bunch of all caps, telling Bara to "fix the damn thing", and attempt to belittle other people's issues with color scheme?

If you'd actually read the thread, most of the complaints weren't about "personal taste" in colors, it was about the physical side effects of eye strain and reading dark on dark, which you plainly labeled irrelevant.

I don't really think Tridus and I took anything out of context, it's all in there.

No.

I'm reacting to something as simple as : before I didn't had headaches, now I have. But you may be right, maybe my headache is overreacting Maybe I should just stop coming here.

That's crap and you know it Annatar. I DIDN'T Get Any Eye Strain nor did I "belittle" Anyone. in Fact I said I Wouldn't Belittle Anyone. This baby crap color makes me sick. It's all opinion. People with Bad Eyes get eye strain. I have perfect 20/20 vision and I get eye strain from sitting in front of a monitor all day.

So yeah, I'm guilty of using caps and being vocal because part of the forums were broke, Excuse the f'k out of me for thinking basic functionality was more important than a color change..damn. I also pointed out I thought it was immature that people we're calling each other names over something as stupid as who likes what color best, big deal, next time I won't bother.

When it comes to Bara, I wasn't attacking Him in any way. I also didn't (and still don't know) that Bara is the Only Employee working on this. Whether it's one guy fixing a problem or 20 guys fixing a problem, a problem is a problem, period. I think Bara has done a Great Job taking care of things and putting up with everyone's shit in the matter.

As for the new layout and design, I Love It. I completely agree with what Anomander says right here (minus the sentence at Tridus) :

I tried to keep things on a decent level because I saw other replies in this topic calling people who liked certain colors immature or young and THAT is what I Reacted too. Like I said above though, next time I won't bother as obviously it's more trouble than it's worth.

Edit: This reply here it the First Time I even mention "eye strain". Up until this post it was about a purely cosmetic color change for me. (that and the logo issue which Bara already fixed)

Count me among the few that like the change.

I like it, though black text on a white background is also cool. We should be able to select skins.

I like the white text on grey (current quote box look). How about we think about making that the basic background color. It's not black or dark which shouldn't cause eye strain for some people, and it doesn't look like baby crap and make me not want to even look at the forums (which is a big plus).

Overall I like the change, but I'm not a fan of the yellowish text on the brown/greenish-yellowish-darkish background. I'd prefer plain white text (like in the quote boxes).

Your choice my friend...

But I would suggest you stick with it and think about your monitor, room lighting and your screen's brightness and contrast!

These people who are experiencing headaches should perhaps see a Opthamologist first, before venting spleen on these forums.

Wow, I suppose someone as involved in past threadjackings as I've been deserved to see something like this spamarama. Really, all I wanted to do was speak up for 'accessibility' for folks who really like reading wildly verbose posts around here and don't have the eyesight of the Man of Steel, or even the eyesight we had as teenagers.

On the art side of it, I'll admit, though, that I thought the original design was way more 'cool' than what we have now. That's because my idea of 'cool' includes a significant affection for simplicity, 'retro' stuff in general, and people who remember what the really, really classy blank hex paper looked like back around 1980.

Thanks a bunch, Tridus. That will help immensely for reading.

Not only is the site now fugly, the white text box against a dark background gives me a f***ing headache