Facebook wants to know you better than your mum does....

Eh, not really, I don't have either and I've never had any issues.

I guess your right, maybe I'm thinking bout this way to much. 2 things you can't disagree with though.

1. It is becoming a major information farm with millions of participants... (weather they realise it or not.)

2. They are very much invested into building the business promotion side of things. E.g. Becoming a "fan"; "Like " a webiste or article, and the casual gaming market, (which asks the question whether facebook has a lot more market share with casual games than steam...)

Shouldn't that read: "Google wants to know more about you than your mum does,"?

Fact is, I wouldn't have a FaceBook or YouTube or account for that very reason... Google wanting to know the ins and outs of a cats arse... about everybody and everything.  Yeah, bugger that!!!

I know there are a few people/friends from WC who have FaceBook accounts, and it has been suggested that I sign up there to keep in touch that way as well, but at the end of the day I just feel too much doubt and apprehension to add my name to the FaceBook ranks.  mrs starkers has a FaceBook account and spends a bit of time the catching up with friends and family, but for me personally, some nagging thing inside me says that I'd be much happier restricting my social activities online to WC.

That just about sums it up for me... people are divulging more about themselves online, the entire world than they would otherwise want to in their workplace, bowling alley or favourite pub.  Yeah, all these 'free' services put on by Google... but a what personal cost??

Darvin3's might be right about the general public, but I have a couple of colleagues in IT-land who've started Facebook accounts because they felt a need to show that they are keeping up with the times.

And on the global paranoia theme, I've read several stories in the past year or so about the rising number of potential employers who ask to be added as a friend so they can view your entire mess o' stuff as part of their hiring process. I suppose that not having an account won't be held against a job candidate, at least not if the HR folks believe you when you say that.

My guess is that this huge fad for living a horribly public life won't last all that much longer.

This generation has no idea or does not care about privacy. When its totally gone, they will not even know it.

It's pretty funny to me actually. There was a time I Loved MySpace. I had over 300 readers a day reading my blog on a average day. There were times I'd get 200 or 300 comments on a poem I'd write and for a while I even cared about being on the stupid "Top Blogger" list for poetry.

I did make some good friends there. People I still stay in contact with to this day. People who have sent me mail in real life, and some times other things too. One girl I know even sent me a home-made blanket (long story). One time I helped raise enough money to save a little girl's life who had a brain tumor. There was a time in my life when I was younger that I didn't care about privacy because I was caught up in the novelty of sharing my life with hundreds of strangers and shocked and amazed at how many Actually PAID ATTENTION.

It wasn't all "Roses and Sunshine" though. I had a couple stalkers (Females). I had more then a few older women who were obsessed with me, who would suddenly show up at my work because I just happened to mention what restaurant I was working at the time (would you like fries with that?:P). One time I was taking my family, Mom, Gran, and an ex girl-friend to the county fair and this woman came up behind me in line while we were waiting to buy our tickets and said "Hey, aren't you Raven Xavier the MySpace poet?"....and then her and her kids kinda followed/stalked me and my family.

I felt kinda odd after that. I had some major changes in my life the years following and dropping MySpace was one of those changes. That and my wife didn't like me having so many female "fans"..lol. I can still hear some of the things she said...."What? She says she Loves you? Oh that bitch has got to go!!!"...lol. Ok, so even the stalkers felt kinda cool sometimes...lol.

With networking sites like MySpace and Facebook though, you really need to know "when to say when" and if your a Parent you especially need to make sure your kids know "what's ok to share" and "what's Not Ok to share". Too many kids give up way too much information these days. I'm honestly surprised more of the Internet isn't a perverts playground.

When do children listen to there parents? The only people that lie more are politicians. Even most people have no idea how many people have access to the info they share until its to late.

I watched that show where they lour the child predators and catch them on TV. I guess thats a life changing experience for the pervert but like cockroaches, for every one you see there is 100 more in the dark.

That's true. The only part I'd disagree with, sadly, is your number of "100 more" to "every one you see" is probably a GROSS Under-estimation. If we're talking global and not just in the United States those numbers Sky Rocket. Not every country on Earth has the same "basic Human Rights" that we do and some don't value human life much at all whether they are children or adults. Most likely the children are probably easier to beat down and force into prostitution so....yeah, there's a Lot of Sick F'ks out there. Too many for my tastes.

I tend to think a large chunk of the human population needs to be taken off the face of the planet anyway though, simply based on "sustainability" alone. To be "fair" just randomly take half the population from every country on the planet and execute them Mafia style. That would be the first Real Step in "Saving the Planet". Does it make me a horrible human being that I think that way? Part of me says "Yes, that's monstrous", but, part of me also says "the Planet simply Can Not support a Infinite Amount of humans.". We'd run out of space to make food to feed the population.

Fortunately we have this thing called "space" around the planet Earth, which is practically limitless with regards to space (one guess as to why its called what it is) and with the Martian asteroid belt and the Kuiper Belt we have a ridiculously huge supply of resources, not counting what we may find on Luna, Mars, or Pluto, plus all those gas giants which can be mined for useful gases, not just fusionable hydrogen.

We could colonize Mars and Luna and build orbital habitats and farms around our worlds.  Earth is limited, but when you take the entire freaking solar system into consideration, things start looking real good for our plans for continued exponential population growth.

Monstrous? Maybe. Necessary? Probably.

Actually the fusionable helium resources of the Gas Giants are far more valuable.

At present IMO, a Martian/Lunar colony isn't quite as feasible as say, a colony at the Earth/Moon or Earth/Sun L5 points. More likely the Earth/Moon L5 point, then lunar colony, then Earth/Sun L5, then Mars. After that, the Sol System is ripe for the taking.

Though you're more right than you know about those resources. There's a few TRILLION US$ worth of metals on the average asteroid that passes in a near-Earth-orbit.

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Do either of you Honestly think that when/if the time comes for the Human Race to start colonizing other worlds that they're going to take the "Average Joe" along for the ride? Sure they'll take the "Average Joe Laborer" along to build things before the main-stay of the population get there. Maybe some of them will be let in by default since they helped build the colonies, but, for the most part I'd be willing to bet everything I own right now that anyone and everyone who's chosen to go to a colony will be hand picked and meet certain "criteria". You'll either have to have so much money, or a minimum IQ requirement, or maybe even a certain Genetic Profile as seen in the movie "Gattaca".

Those who are deemed "undesirable" for WHAT-EVER Reason will be left on Earth to rot and die because they won't be wanted in planned communities/colonies. You can guarantee at least for the first couple hundred years of colonization that Every Colony will be perfectly planned down to the smallest detail. What plants will be chosen, what animals will be taken along, what uniforms/clothes people will wear. Everything will be planned in advanced Especially WHO gets to go start a New World. I'd be willing to bet poor people or anyone with ANY type of "Criminal" background will never be chosen to be sent to start a new life and make a new society.

If you'd like to see an example of a perfectly planned community right here on Earth, look up a place called "Celebration" Florida. It was built in conjunction with various state offices here in Florida and the Disney Corporation. Every last detail, every picture perfect home, all the landscaping and design of the streets, EVERYTHING, was designed to fit into their picture perfect little world. Want to move there? Hahahaha good luck there unless you make a certain amount of money every year or you're the right color or you have the right job. They have a "Community Council" which is allowed by law to decide who moves into the neighborhood (seeing as half the council members own businesses or have jobs working for the county or state). Do they discriminate? You bet your ass they do!!!! Is it legal? No way in hell!!! Do they get away with it because people on the council have "power"? You f'kin bet!!! They even have a perfectly planned "racial diversity". They have just "so many" whites, blacks, latinos, asians, and they do their best to maintain the appearance of "equality" when it comes to who they let move in. In Reallity....there's nothing equal or fair about it. You have to be a Lawyer or a Doctor or a Wealthy Retire-ee to even have a Chance at buying a place in Celebration. A lot of Disney's "Stars" have homes there too. At one time Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake either lived there or had family who lived there. You think they'll let "Joe Blow" the local garbage man buy a house there? What about "Joe Blow" the gardener? Hahahahahaha yeah right...They got as much a chance of being allowed to buy a place in Celebration as I do being chosen President of the United Federation of Planets.

You can call foul and say they don't do that and it's not legal all day, it doesn't stop it from being a Fact that's happening "behind the scenes". I know, I've worked out there before doing stone work on Doctor's house. I've had plenty of "Real Jobs" in my life and it hasn't all been from behind a computer screen. If someone claims discrimination they either get ignored completely or there's a public statement made that things ARE Equal in Celebration and that in the end it's owned by Disney and the State of Florida jointly and Disney can allow or not allow who-ever they want to buy property there since they are a privately owned company.

I can only say 'Hear, Hear'. This is pretty much how i see the future if we allow the world to continue the way it is now. But what can we do about it?

But there are some good arguments for having some criteria on who can go 'colonize' space. Most of all, its bloody expensive. And I don't necessarily mean money, it takes a lot of time, effort and resources to get someone into space and give him a place to live (permanently). Those costs will rise the further away from Earth you get. It's only logical to select the best and brightest for this.

And forget about colonising other solar systems. The only way to get a large number of people there from Earth is by building a large amount of (propably one-way) sleeper ships, or by some form of FTL.

Edit: also, this thread is getting way off-topic

Have you ever looked at Internationalism? And its failure among plebians?

//by that I mean the Internationalist style, and how it was left to rot by the poor, yet worshiped by the Corporations. Most skyscrapers are built in Internationalist style.

Internationalist Style Architecture started in Chicago, continued in America and Germany, and was the Flagstone of New-Age building for both Capitalism and Fascism.

Regimented, planned out lifestyles only work if they are exclusive, and only given to those that actually want to live there.

On the flip side, its never going to be possible to FORCE the population to live in such a regimented order.

Heck, I f*ckin' WANT to be left on Earth

I have neither and don't see a need.  If I want to share something with someone, I'll call, visit or email them.  I see no reason to share BS to the world or detasils of my life or a daily journal.  Kind of stupid in my mind, but thats just me.  Plenty of people see the need to do so.

Tas, my friend, you've never been to Jail or Prison have you? Well, I have......and let me tell you, it IS POSSIBLE to FORCE people, any people, male or female, to live What-Ever way you want them to live. I've seen it first hand. I've seen 20,000 men being FORCED to stand in lines All Day out in the hot sun with no water or no bath-room breaks. I've seen men surrounded by cops and then BEAT DOWN for doing nothing but trying to stand up for some basic Human Rights. Sure, some of these men made mistakes, even Bad Mistakes that they Deserved to be there for, but they DID NOT DESERVE to be TREATED like Human Scum. I was in Prison with dudes that were there for Tax Evasion, and seen the guards spit in their food because they knew on the "Outside" those very same guys they were guarding had more money then they would Ever make in a life-time of guarding "scum-balls".

Needless to say the mistake that brought me there was something dumb I did back in my late teen-age years. I wasn't a thief or a murderer or some kind of Real Scum-Ball or Sicko, but I ended up in there with them just like I was as bad as all the rest. That's all I'm gonna say about my past involving that so please don't ask, because I won't speak about it again. I just had to point out that with the man power and authority, you can force a population to do what-ever you want them to do.

Edit: Dear OP, sorry this thread has gotten WAY Off Topic. I feel partly responsible. My bad.

I'm totally baiting myself into being flamed into oblivion BUT.....Are you saying that you think that some of the most heinous criminals don't deserve to be treated like human scum.

I mean personally, I find some sick f*ck who just killed his own family and is sitting in the corner crying, and I have a gun, I'm gonna empty the entire mag into the SOB.

@ Raven, I mean in a society like the United States, free-living people can't be forced to live in such a regimented society.

If you want to say that the world will eventually become a Gattaca esque Police state, then just say it. I don't think there is any proof for or against that argument.

However, if you want to say that the exclusive lifestyles of the rich and famous are going to become a popular trend, then I can say that I think you are wrong.

And sure, a police state would be able to build only Regimented and Planned communities, and bulldoze everyone else ... but they can't force people to live in a Utopian society. It'll just become a slums with high upkeep, or eventually rot away.

As for the treatment of NON-free persons ... why even talk about these people? Are you trying to be a PETA for prisoners by comparing animal testing to death camps?; a la comparing "the cushy lifestyles" of prisoners to a Fascist regimentation?

While personally I can't bring myself to care for prisoners, I understand the need for prisoner's rights. Still, I think that talking about prisoners WHO ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW is slightly off topic to this (also off-topic) discussion. Namely, the Police system (as in Law and Order, and in this country Law is given priority over Order) is a social contract and NOT, as of yet, a political tool.

No, no, not at all. You're right, Whiskey. There ARE scum-balls out there that COMPLETELY DESERVE what they get, and some of them even deserve worse...but...not All Of Them. Just because some-one ends up in jail or prison doesn't mean they are as bad as some of the people around them. I went to jail for Weed....yes, weed. Sadly though there were times I ended up in the same cell as Rapists and Murderers and Real Pedophiles and all kinds of people. When prisoners in the system get where they are going to do the most of their "time" they tend to be segregated by what kind of crime they committed. Because of space limitations and over-crowding they often mix the "Soft Core Criminals" with the "Hard Core criminals". When that happens the "Soft Core Criminals" often end up GETTING KILLED because they got put in the same cell as a Murderer or a Psychopath who kills people because he doesn't like "the look in their eyes".

Some Criminals, Many in fact, deserve far worse then the punishment they get. Sadly though because our Legal system is now more about Business then it is about Legality, people who don't deserve harsh punishment get Way More then they deserve and most people (kinda like the vibe I'm getting from you, no offense) think that those people are "Criminal Scum that Deserve Death" simply for the fact that they ended up in jail or prison.

I'm hoping you're not really that blind to think that, I don't think you'd be that closed minded, but sadly a Lot of people ARE that closed minded.

I broke it down into 1-4 to make it easy to answer, my friend. Here goes.

1.A) I agree. There's no proof either way that things will be one way or the other, though if I had to make an educated guess....I'd say things are only going to get worse for normal people like you and me.

2.A) Brother, look around you. Just like a line of dialog they say in the recent movie "Kick-Ass"...."How come there are So Many People who want to be like Paris Hilton...but No-One wants to be like Spider-Man?". People are and Do want to be and have "exclusive lifestyles of the rich and famous". People do want to be Rich and Famous and have the Whole World watching their every move. These people are commonly called Attention Whores...the rest of them are simply being Greedy. I don't think you could deny that.

3.A) Here I think you're both right and wrong at the same time. Even extremely large populations can be Conditioned to live a certain way or to think a certain way. They don't do this all at once though or do it quickly simply because so many people would resist. Instead they do this SLOWLY over Long Periods of time. Even if it takes multiple generations. Over time we have lost more and more freedoms and it's only getting worse. Technology its-self is both helping us to live easier lives, and also building a virtual cage around each of us even to the point of making us Want to Give Up our liberties and privacy. Just look at MySpace and Facebook and kids who put every fact of their every-day-lives Online for complete strangers to read. They aren't thinking that they are also giving up any privacy they have just by saying the things they do Online.

They will make what-ever version of a "Utopian Society" they want by conditioning the way children think. Then they change it a little more a couple of generations later. That's why if you watch any kind of "theoretically accurate" time travel show. When the person from the past gets to the future he can't understand how people's thought processes have led them to be the way they are in the future. I know that's not a Realistic example, but from a purely "thought process" point of view it's pretty accurate.

4.A) I only brought that up to show that even large (though confined) populations can be controlled. Regardless of the circumstances (like not being a Free citizen). Even now I still believe in the justice system, the difference is now I see the REAL FLAWS IN the System ITS-SELF.

Fema Camps in US/Canada

And oh ya, lets make it easy for them by posting our views on Facebook.

Locked Up in Land of the Free

During the 1990s, the United States and Russia vied for the dubious position of the highest incarceration rate on the planet.

But in the past few years, Russian authorities have carried out large-scale amnesties to ease crowding in disease-infested prisons, and the United States has emerged unchallenged into first place, at 702 prisoners per 100,000 population. Russia has 665 prisoners per 100,000.

Today the United States imprisons at a far greater rate not only than other developed Western nations do, but also than impoverished and authoritarian countries do.

On a per capita basis, according to the best available figures, the United States has three times more prisoners than Iran, four times more than Poland, five times more than Tanzania and seven times more than Germany. Maryland has more citizens in prison and jail (an estimated 35,200) than all of Canada (31,600), though Canada's population is six times greater.

"This is a pretty serious experiment we've been engaged in," says Vincent Schiraldi, director of the Justice Policy Institute, a Washington think tank that supports alternatives to prison. "I don't think history will judge us kindly."

• Master Planned Communities in Arizona
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• Master Planned Communities in Washington

Who remembers "The Master Plan"

Wow...man. THANK YOU for pointing that out. I just read the Entire bill. That's some scary shit. Even in a Nation Wide Collapse/Emergency I wouldn't go to one of those camps. For the people who don't go to the camps, you can bet after the riots and looting stop or slow down the Government will go house to house and MAKE people go to the camps. Not Me!!! Not My Family!!!! We'll grab all the food, guns, and ammo we can carry and go camp in the woods and abandon the house and everything else we own. If not that then I'd rather kill my entire family and then my-self then end up in one of those camps. With a criminal record they'd separate me from my family the second we walked into one of those camps anyway.

They might pretend to want to help people and they might even Actually help people....at first. Eventually though even the infrastructure that runs those camps will break down and those camps will start turning into DEATH CAMPS.

I'd rather eat a bullet and burn in hell then be put to death by my own government.

Fuck killing your family. Fuck suicide.

Leave America. You can probably find more resources in other places anyways. Though I agree with you. No way am I going to one of those camps.

Food+Guns+Ammo+Fuel+Transport. You forgot the last 2 .

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That's true, brother. Don't forget though I live in Florida. The only other country (near by) I'd go would be Canada as I don't speak Spanish. I don't think I could make it across the country with cops and government dogs after me every step of the way. Plus, as soon as you start following the highways and byways, you'll be seen and captured for sure.

This thread is quickly turning into a horror film.

Have to disagree with you there.  Those places are desolate and only have money value.  The rich will stay on earth and move the average joe's to these planets which will just become work camps.  They will trick people into going there saying its for their safety only to find themselves to be slaves.  Think total recall where the corporations have complete and direct control over your air, water and food supplies.  You have a strike we cut off your air.  Plus you will be doubling as a lab rat for the mistakes and disasters that are sure to pop up along the way.

Why do you think that twitter and facebook are both shoved down our throats by the newsmedia.  Myspace actually has a good privacy policy which is why they don't encourage people to go there.  Sad thing is so many people are on those that even if your not on there they still will be able to find every way to influence us without our knowing by experimenting with what people's reactions to different things are on those sites

This is also the reason that canada is going to have an illegal immigration problem real soon.