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Giving The Queen Of Thorns Some Love In 30 Minutes Or Less

Giving The Queen Of Thorns Some Love In 30 Minutes Or Less

Recently Frogboy expressed a desire to have GPG "show the queen some love" in a future update and I'm starting this thread to share my ideas on making Queen a viable choice in higher level games. 

I would love to hear any criticism of my ideas that you have or you putting down your own suggestions of how to help balance the QoT, but please don't put down "Queen of Thorns is fine, I lost a game to a team with her the other night.  TB is the one who needs a buff!"

If you are one of the 1% who actually believe QoT is a competitive Demigod in high level games, then thats ok... I don't judge you or anyone else who is addicted to crack cocaine, but I'm asking you respectfully to put your comments in another thread.

If you have your own helpful suggestions on how to buff her, then please put them down but keep in mind the title of this post.  Try to keep it to number changes and do-able tweaks.  Nothing is going to get "completely re-worked" and if you want to go on about replacing skill trees and such, please make your own post and title it "How Great the Queen Could Have Been If GPG Hadn't Started Designing Her 5 Days Before Demigod Launched"

My Ideas

Give Bramble Shield IV the ability to block enemy de-buffs and interrupts.  If a Demigod already had a Pentinence on him and you bramble shielded him, it will not remove the affect like higher level Heals and any Shield... but if the Bramble Shield was on then the enemy would have to counter by targeting someone else, or doing enough damage to pop the shield before Penting, or just settling for the damage.  This would be good because B Shield doesn't scale well late game and Queen doesn't fare well in the flag lock wars because she has no interrupts herself.  This way Queen could help out in portal capping by shielding herself or allies who are TPing or flag locking.  It might seem overpowered but you have to remember at this stage at the game popping a B Shield is pretty easy... its either a Hammer Slam IV or Mines IV or any burst damage ability + 1 auto attack... A lot easier to counter than Oak's Shield if you ask me.  I don't know if its workable since no other ability is exactly like this, but I think they could manage it with a minimum of effort.  If not, maybe just give it the ability to protect against interrupts like Oak's Shield does if that would be easier.

Give Uproot the ability to heal friendly towers.  The ability is not ever used and this would change that, and in theory it would make another useless skill line, Compost, possibly viable.  I believe this is workable since towers can heal naturally and are targetable by healing effects such as Universal Gadget.

Make Shamblers IV cost as much as Shamblers III.  Right now you're usually punishing yourself by taking the final skill point in this line because you're rarely going to need to summon 4 at a time so its usually a waste of mana since you'll kill off the one or two that are still alive.  Of course you can just make sure all your shamblers die before you summon more and fight at a disadvantage in the meantime... or you can do what everyone does and not screw yourself by taking the last skill point.  I think this should change.

Thanks for reading guys, and happy new year!

Edit 1/2/10 

-Putting a de-buff blocker on shield shows I am stupid, which I now realize.  Putting a interrupt/stun blocker on DGs who have a Bramble Shield I still believe is absolute genius on my part.

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Reply #76 Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 75

Quoting Thundercles, reply 72
 

Teseer:  Thought I had gone a little too far with the comedy, but at least when I go to hell you'll be there to keep me company!


At least it'll be warm! Florida is DAMN cold! (Well, for Florida)
End of Teseer's quote
Its effing snowing here in atlanta. edit was.

Reply #77 Top

"Its effing snowing here in atlanta. edit was."

It was 75 degrees Farenheit here in Cali D:

Reply #78 Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 77
"Its effing snowing here in atlanta. edit was."

It was 75 degrees Farenheit here in Cali D:
End of awuffleablehedgie's quote
18 degrees here....

Reply #79 Top

Its like 30 or something here. I just saw the sun for the first time in 2 days.

<cry>

Worst of all, I drive an old 91 miata.

This morning:
I put a towel over my Windshield so I wouldnt have to defrost it. I tucked it in the top by opening it a bit.
It rained. Had to remove the wet ass towel and get my fingers wet which was VERY cold.
When I opened my top to get it out, I hear CRRRRRAAAAAAACK and my plastic back Window was aparently frozen solid.
Now I have holes in my back Window, I'm freezing to death, my heat doesnt work AND I left my window open a crack (to hold the towel in place) so my seat was wet. Very unhappy 40 minute drive to work.

</cry>

Reply #80 Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 79
Its like 30 or something here. I just saw the sun for the first time in 2 days.

<cry>

Worst of all, I drive an old 91 miata.

This morning:
I put a towel over my Windshield so I wouldnt have to defrost it. I tucked it in the top by opening it a bit.
It rained. Had to remove the wet ass towel and get my fingers wet which was VERY cold.
When I opened my top to get it out, I hear CRRRRRAAAAAAACK and my plastic back Window was aparently frozen solid.
Now I have holes in my back Window, I'm freezing to death, my heat doesnt work AND I left my window open a crack (to hold the towel in place) so my seat was wet. Very unhappy 40 minute drive to work.

</cry>
End of Teseer's quote
what you complaining about; take a freaking hour walk back and to class in 18 degree whether.... than add the 20 minutes I also half to wait for the shuttle to come pick me up from the train statiion. I swear I felt the clood cells in my finger freeze up and damn near didn't want to move.

Reply #81 Top

When you're driving like 60-80 with no back Window, you wish you were walking. My car was like a little freezer on wheels.

Reply #82 Top

4:15 PM. 70 degrees D:

Reply #83 Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 82
4:15 PM. 70 degrees D:
End of awuffleablehedgie's quote
lucky my power was out for a week and a half due to snow....and its freezing.

Reply #84 Top

Teseer, your Miata story caused me much laughter and significant shrinkage... and that takes a lot since I live on Maui and its nice and warm over here. 

:D

Lifekatana:  Have you been trolling me all this time?  I'm rather disappointed, thought we were having some legitimate debates.  I was just playing against the AI to work on a new build, and the Hard level enemy DA ran up to my citadel for no reason, wasn't chasing anything... just tried to run in then out then died.  Full Retard.

Of course, if the AI doesn't do suicidal things like that, they purchase skills, items, and cit upgrades which are completely useless... which as far as the items and upgrades are most of them.  Of course GPG is well on their way to making them all much better, so hang in there buddy, this game will be balanced in no time.  Staff of the Warmage went from +700 mana to +800... it should be worth using in 5-6 years at this rate!

And I'm sure the Sedna High Priest fix took 5 months to implement cause of all the QA testing from this major change in the games programming.

Reply #85 Top

I'm not saying this AI isn't fucking retarded. But I play multiplayer dont'care about it and Ive never seen a good rts AI. For the rest yeah you right.

Reply #86 Top

Quoting lifekatana, reply 85
I'm not saying this AI isn't fucking retarded. But I play multiplayer dont'care about it and Ive never seen a good rts AI. For the rest yeah you right.
End of lifekatana's quote

Dude calling the AI retarded is an insult to the mentally challenged every where. Even they know not to stop moving while a tower is nailing with 150+ damage over and over again.

Reply #87 Top

There are people in this game who are dumber than the AI. I played with an oak recently who would attack the towers 'till he almost died, then back off with 100hp and sit in the center of the map to "regenerate," then get pissed off when the enemy regulus sniped him. Then he said, "well, I guess i'm just not good with this character."

Reply #88 Top

Quoting Splitshadow, reply 87
There are people in this game who are dumber than the AI. I played with an oak recently who would attack the towers 'till he almost died, then back off with 100hp and sit in the center of the map to "regenerate," then get pissed off when the enemy regulus sniped him. Then he said, "well, I guess i'm just not good with this character."
End of Splitshadow's quote
I know that opposing team was happy.

Reply #89 Top

I'm never happy when there is someone like that.

With or against. It ruins the game.

Reply #90 Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 89
I'm never happy when there is someone like that.

With or against. It ruins the game.
End of Teseer's quote
A lot of stuff does that.

Reply #91 Top

By the way, we won that game, and it was against a premade :D

Reply #92 Top

Its not even my point that the AI is stupid... Lifekatana is right, all RTS AI are and always will be crummy... well, eventually they will get there but at that time The Trapperkeeper 2000 will destroy human civilization so it won't really matter. 

The point is that GPG tried REALLY hard to make Demigod's AI competitive and it didn't turn out well.  They tried to revise it in a couple of patches and it still didn't work... must suck to put all that effort into something and have it turn out the way it did and I think it goes a long way in explaining their current level of enthusiasm for this game. 

Also putting a lot of effort into making an extremely fun and innovative game and having it universally panned by critics cause of connection problems they worked their asses off to fix in a week must be frustrating as well.  Sorry if it came off as another "GPG sucks!" post.

Reply #93 Top

Quoting Thundercles, reply 92
Its not even my point that the AI is stupid... Lifekatana is right, all RTS AI are and always will be crummy... well, eventually they will get there but at that time The Trapperkeeper 2000 will destroy human civilization so it won't really matter. 

The point is that GPG tried REALLY hard to make Demigod's AI competitive and it didn't turn out well.  They tried to revise it in a couple of patches and it still didn't work... must suck to put all that effort into something and have it turn out the way it did and I think it goes a long way in explaining their current level of enthusiasm for this game. 

Also putting a lot of effort into making an extremely fun and innovative game and having it universally panned by critics cause of connection problems they worked their asses off to fix in a week must be frustrating as well.  Sorry if it came off as another "GPG sucks!" post.
End of Thundercles's quote
Yet one modder on this board created a mod that made the AI act 10x better than they ever did.

Reply #94 Top

He didn't, he just gave them half decent builds and told em to stack hp.

Reply #95 Top

Quoting lifekatana, reply 94
He didn't, he just gave them half decent builds and told em to stack hp.
End of lifekatana's quote

Hey when AI Sedna stopped getting fucking yetis I saw that as a pure improvement.