From my expirience its worst then before. Lums r still overpowered, vasa got  ninja nerfed. Only good thig is HC range buff

I play both vasari and tec... and I am very happy with the balance. Illums are FINE... vasari are FINE... everything is nice and fine.

basically i beleive the balance is far better than previous patches. Just earlier this night i rolled an illum spammer(which used to be a pretty big deal). Alot of skilled players use scouts on the rush becuase of how they counter lrfs. Lfs are far better as they dont die to lrfs as quickly as before so they are very useful early and late game.

But as qu4r said the vasari are weaker. they still have much of their strength but the egg is weaker. And overall do to lf buffs vasari have a harder time killing lfs late game because assilents are reletively weak.

I would defenatly recomend coming back on. DT needs a real advent player not the illum spammer crap (berz)

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The balance is pretty good right now --  you often see a larger variety of ships in play now:

I'm not certain how Vasari got nerfed....the Evac got a minor nerf, but every other Vasari cap got buffed (well, all the carriers, got buffed, so that one doesn't count).  Enforcer and Skirmisher reintegration speed doubled and Subverters got a range increase and small antimatter cost decrease to Distortion Field.  Also, Overseers are now viable repair ships now because of the turn speed increase.  Vasari still have the same challenges they always had, namely not to get overwhelmed by larger numbers of weaker ships.

I see Kortuls and Skirantras WAY more often now. With extra squads now, you'll actually see Carrier caps at the start sometimes. Lums are still tough, but they aren't the end all be all of games like they used to be 75% of the time. I see less of guardians (people arent rushing them out to invulnerablize their lums anymore) more of LFs, more of overseers. more carriers (but thankfully not like it was a few patches ago). Overall, a vast improvement.

lol people are using scouts to the point that they are rediculous. how can you counter a fleet of 60 scouts and 20 lfs 15 mins into the game?

you can make illum spammers go down very easily now.

I would have but he was 4 jumps from me so by the time i got to him he already had illums so i needed scouts . but i still rolled him just the same

TBH, here's why I think Vasari are weak.

The Scout doesn't fight off Illums well. I mean, you can, but you need more than the 2 to 1 Scout to Illum ratio, which doesn't favor Vasari.

The skirmisher does 10.5 damage but takes up 7 ship slots, and while it does get reintegration, I don't understand why the ship does 10.5 dps. Cobalts do 9.5 and take up 5 ship slots. Helloooo, this doesn't add up.

The Assailant wasn't nerfed, but what it counters was buffed. One of the biggest strengths of Vasari is the early game tactic of the Egg with Assailants. Well, assailants counter light frigs, and the light frigs got buffed. The counter isn't ridiculous as any more, so I guess I miss the nostalgic genocide of lrf crushing light frigs.

The Egg's nanite disassembler got nerfed. That was the big selling point of this race to me in early game situations.

Also, the Vasari have a very weak colonize now. Instead of Advent being the only race with a good colonize ability, the Vasari are the only race now that doesn't have a good one. I honestly believe the ability should be fixed NOT BY GIVING AN EXTRA CONSTRUCTOR, but by giving a free turret, then 2 free turrets, and then 2 free turrets and a repair bay. Something along those lines. Why? This would help the Vasari expand quicker.

Yes the other caps have been buffed, but here's my issue. In online play it's VERY RARE to have a map where you are in such close quarters that NOT picking the colonizer is your best choice. And in that situation you want the strongest light frig/scout/long range frig. In my mind, Vasari is hosed on all accounts compared to other races.

Are they god awful? Of course not. Are they great? It's in the eye of the beholder.  I just see more allure in the other races right now, and really, it comes down to the fact that the caps get great colonizing bonuses.

I'm gonna take your word for it. I guess a long history of a bugged Devastator makes me hesitant to use it. Time to sample it yet again.

BTW, anyone else notice i have 69 karma?

How would the additional damage caused by Illuminators make the game more balanced?  They are just much tougher than before, any early fed half-decent Advent has it easy?

No-one would have said make illuminators stronger for balance.  The game is far worse, as Qu4r said.  Illuminator spammers can still be defeated, but only because they're not very good players.  Can we have an update where the other factions get a +25% lrf boost and lums are corrected to their previous levels of total supremacy? 

Otherwise its just feed Advent early and win...?  Isn't this just a very easy fix, why is it being ignored?  Hit him over the head with a godly huge hammer and tell him he agreed to it after?    

OMG!  It's Siddy!  Good to see you bro.

I agree with that siddy is full of it.  He is like KoK/Sire but without the charm.  LRF spam is easily beaten.  Siddy used to do it with Sentinel/flak spam but practically everything beats lrf nowadays so its not exactly an accomplishment.

[_]-Greyfox