Can we get an option for a random selected demigod?

Sounds simple.  Frogboy, when the major connection issues are fixed, could this be added?

2 new things would be neat.

 

1.  The option to make the demigod you play random.

2.  A host option to make everyones demigod random.

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Reply #1 Top

second option is not needed. Just get the people in the game to all go random. There's no reason to force those kinds of rules into a game as they are redundant.

Reply #2 Top

I'd like a random DG option, or maybe a 'select one at random from the following' type of thing.

Reply #3 Top

I have posted about wanting this as well

1. Random demigod choice

2. Allrandom mode

Reply #4 Top

It'd be cool, but I'd like it to be random WITH the rule that there can be no mirrors on each team, there are some combo's that could turn up (considering there's only 8 heroes, that's a 12.5% chance for each player to get the same DG) that would create a game I wouldn't want to play. An example being 2+ UB's on a single team would be murder early game since not many heroes can survive 2 Spits without sacrificing a huge amount of gold to keep their HP up.

Reply #5 Top

I like number one, but for number two id rather have anon demigods option ( so the other side cant tell what you are )

Reply #6 Top

It'd be cool, but I'd like it to be random WITH the rule that there can be no mirrors on each team, there are some combo's that could turn up (considering there's only 8 heroes, that's a 12.5% chance for each player to get the same DG) that would create a game I wouldn't want to play. An example being 2+ UB's on a single team would be murder early game since not many heroes can survive 2 Spits without sacrificing a huge amount of gold to keep their HP up.

Um, so 2 people picking the same hero on a team now is somehow bad?  What?

Reply #7 Top

Quoting InfiniteVengeance, reply 6

It'd be cool, but I'd like it to be random WITH the rule that there can be no mirrors on each team, there are some combo's that could turn up (considering there's only 8 heroes, that's a 12.5% chance for each player to get the same DG) that would create a game I wouldn't want to play. An example being 2+ UB's on a single team would be murder early game since not many heroes can survive 2 Spits without sacrificing a huge amount of gold to keep their HP up.

Um, so 2 people picking the same hero on a team now is somehow bad?  What?

I don't wanna argue, but yes, there are some mirror combo's that are pretty rediculous, which is why most decent games and decent hosts require no mirrors in each team.

Reply #8 Top

2 ubs = simbol of purity worked pretty well my last game, and other counters for other mirrors

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I don't wanna argue, but yes, there are some mirror combo's that are pretty rediculous, which is why most decent games and decent hosts require no mirrors in each team.

...You're joking.  Right?

Reply #10 Top

All random is a terrible idea that spread throughout the WC3 community that adds apsolutely no value to the game at all. I can see the stupid game titles now, and random unfounded shouts of "noob" because somone doesn't feel like randoming that day. All this change would do is encourage this type of ridiculous behavior I wish to NOT have repeated from WC3.

Allowing a single player to random is fine though, sometimes i just cant decide. :grin:  

Reply #11 Top

Then don't play those games.

++Random is needed.

A random map option for custom games would also be welcome.

 

Reply #12 Top

All random is a terrible idea that spread throughout the WC3 community that adds apsolutely no value to the game at all. I can see the stupid game titles now, and random unfounded shouts of "noob" because somone doesn't feel like randoming that day. All this change would do is encourage this type of ridiculous behavior I wish to NOT have repeated from WC3.

There's reliably more ap games than ar.  In fact barely anyone plays actual ar, but rd instead (AKA ar for cowards)

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So the shouts of cowards of randoming a certain way is already starting? Exactly the reason why I don't want this in demigod. It promotes ill mannered rooms of trivial things that don't even make logical sense. What is the purpose of an all random game? I have yet to figure this out. I don't see the value added by everyone randoming, as opposed to those who just want to type -random at the start. The DOTA(RoC) community in the 7 years I played, not once was this ever even suggested despite the popularity growing in TFT for it.

So what is the point of an all random game? I ask this in all honesty, because I truly try to understand my fellow man when I cannot connect the dots myself. Don't even touch the skill card though, we all know how THAT will play out...

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So the shouts of cowards of randoming a certain way is already starting?

Hey you either random or you don't.  The middle ground of rd was inexplicable to me.

What is the purpose of an all random game?

All the heroes are randomly chosen.  That's....the purpose.  What's the purpose of allowing people to pick their heroes?

Anyways, maybe you just don't understand the purpose of going random.  There's many benefits:

1. Randomness - the enemy doesn't know what Demigod you are before the match, they can't pick a counter.

2. Variety - you don't know what Demigod you're going to be.  If everyone else is random too, this guarantees interesting match ups.

3. Skill - people who go random obviously need to know how to play every Demigod.  By going random you also get exposed to every Demigod.  Seeing the various matchups play out makes you a better player as you will learn what to do vs certain types of opponents and how to best approach a variety of situations.

I don't get people who just play one hero.  What's the point?  Random ftw.

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1. Randomness - the enemy doesn't know what Demigod you are before the match, they can't pick a counter.

Ok, that adds to your gameplay value not mine. Why do I need to random in this scenario if I don't feel like it?

2. Variety - you don't know what Demigod you're going to be.  If everyone else is random too, this guarantees interesting match ups.

This assumes that interesting matchups couldn't happen if you just randomed. The other side does not affect how interesting it is if you're adding a rogue element.

3. Skill - people who go random obviously need to know how to play every Demigod.  By going random you also get exposed to every Demigod.  Seeing the various matchups play out makes you a better player as you will learn what to do vs certain types of opponents and how to best approach a variety of situations.

Pressing a button to say you are about to random does not make you a more skilled player. Learning how every hero is played is important yes, but don't jump off the deep end and think you're a supreme player because you can play every hero "ok". Randoming does not increase your understanding of all heros, it increases the chances you will play all heros to gain an understanding of them.

I don't get people who just play one hero.  What's the point?  Random ftw.

I don't just play one hero, but im adamant about my choice to play whatever it is I feel like playing at that moment. Although I do have my favorites that I play more often. Don't take my refutation personal, but I still don't see any value added.

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Again, just to clarify: I'm not against a random option hero choice. I'm against all random forced randoming modes.

Reply #17 Top

Why?  If you don't want to play an ar game, don't join one.

Ok, that adds to your gameplay value not mine. Why do I need to random in this scenario if I don't feel like it?

Who says you have to.

This assumes that interesting matchups couldn't happen if you just randomed. The other side does not affect how interesting it is if you're adding a rogue element.

People tend towards "the bandwagon" of heroes, or whoever is considered to be OP at the time.  Random forces them out of their comfort zone and you get the rarer hero matchups involved.

Learning how every hero is played is important yes, but don't jump off the deep end and think you're a supreme player because you can play every hero "ok".

No, you're a supreme player when you can play every hero WELL.  And that won't happen by sticking with one or two of them.

Randoming does not increase your understanding of all heros, it increases the chances you will play all heros to gain an understanding of them.

Which will increase your understanding of them....yeah?

 

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Why?  If you don't want to play an ar game, don't join one.

I've stated this earlier. I can't stand the stupid ill founded elitism it propagates.

Who says you have to.

We're argueing about an all random game, and I was adding a counter point, and you just drove off the tracks. If the point is to hide what demigod you're going to be so they can't pick a counter, is moot. You can do that whether its an all random game or not, if the random option is given to a single person. You adding value to your expereince doens't add value to everyone.

People tend towards "the bandwagon" of heroes, or whoever is considered to be OP at the time.  Random forces them out of their comfort zone and you get the rarer hero matchups involved.

Statistically you should be getting fairly predictable less unique games than if you actually let people choose. Its more unlikely that you will see a 5 QoT game in a random match, but I bet some crazy's out there soon enough will be trying it. If people are bandwagoning, and you shake things up with YOUR hero choice, the gameplay is still astoundingly different. You don't see professionals pulling out crazy stratgies in tournaments in games by rolling dice, you see it from thoughtful approaches and planning that the otherside doesn't know how to deal with.

No, you're a supreme player when you can play every hero WELL.  And that won't happen by sticking with one or two of them.

Your point is still moot, you can single random regardless of an all random game, but ill argue the point still. Just because you don't random doesn't mean you don't change up your hero consistently as well. If you want to be TECHNICAL, you would create a more even distribution if you went on a manual cycle yourself.

Which will increase your understanding of them....yeah?

Not nessicarly. You could argue the point that playing one hero consistently for several games in a row increases understanding of that hero more than the occasional play. But your underlying point is still off bounds, what is the point of an all random game?

Your only point seems to be, it creates unique matchups, and I believe that is flawed logic. The craziest matchups in all my experinces has been from organized players attempting crazy stratgies on their own, not from random dice rolls. Although you could argue its easier to dice roll than to play with organized players. But then again, I doubt it would be much different than a couple rogue elements on each side.

Reply #19 Top

That's why Dota is so popular.   A simple mod that has option #1 and #2 mentioned in the OP.

 

Please add option for random demigod.

Reply #20 Top

For the love of.. that is NOT why dota is popular. How do you come up with such a claim?!

Reply #21 Top

It's one of the main reasons, I'd say.  Back in the day ar was extremely popular.  Modes with some form of random make up a significant amount of the played games.

I've stated this earlier. I can't stand the stupid ill founded elitism it propagates.

Oh the hypocrisy.  Just because YOU don't get why people love random doesn't mean it isn't enjoyed by a significant portion of players.

We're argueing about an all random game, and I was adding a counter point, and you just drove off the tracks.

I was talking about just the random option.  There's 2 things here, the ability to even go random, and the allrandom game mode.

You don't see professionals pulling out crazy stratgies in tournaments in games by rolling dice

Who the hell cares about professionals?  The most skilled professional is one who is good at everything, not a single well practiced thing, in my opinion.

And it's about fun.  Random is fun.  Picking and seeing the same heroes every game is not as fun.

But your underlying point is still off bounds, what is the point of an all random game?

That all heroes are random.  What is the point of an all pick game?  What is the point of playing the game at all?

Reply #22 Top

It's one of the main reasons, I'd say.  Back in the day ar was extremely popular.  Modes with some form of random make up a significant amount of the played games.

I played DOTA in its INFANCY, before TFT was even released. AR attributed nothing to dota's popularity. The fact that the game mode gained popularity is NOT the reason for DOTA's success. Correlation != Causation.

Oh the hypocrisy.  Just because YOU don't get why people love random doesn't mean it isn't enjoyed by a significant portion of players.

What does this have to do with my statement? Irrelevance. Don't get frustrated and start stating im being a hypocrite when you don't even understand my position to argue with. I said I hate AR games because of the stupid nonsense it promotes from elitist retards who think they're gods gift to humanity because they random every game. It doesn't make people pro, but for some reason, this stupid game mode makes them think anyone that doesn't is a noob.

I was talking about just the random option.  There's 2 things here, the ability to even go random, and the allrandom game mode.
 

Theres not two things here. I am not against randoming. I'm against forced random games. Ive said this, FOUR times now. You can't combine arguements I agree with to support your case when its a different case.

Who the hell cares about professionals?  The most skilled professional is one who is good at everything, not a single well practiced thing, in my opinion.

And it's about fun.  Random is fun.  Picking and seeing the same heroes every game is not as fun.

The point still stands, professionals or not. You can grab 3 friends and do crazy stratgies, I know I have already. You don't have to be PRO to do it, its just more often that it is done by them because their opponents ARE used to the cookie cutters. Randoming is fine... but forcing everyoen into random adds no value to the game, and I stand by this statement until somone can provide a solid case why it adds value. 

You can random without everyone in the game randoming. Several people can random, that adds the chaos element you so desire. Why do you force conformity? A random option brings YOUR fun, and you're going to see the same heros in random and not random games. Thinking otherwise is opinion at best.

That all heroes are random.  What is the point of an all pick game?  What is the point of playing the game at all?

This makes no sense? The reason for waiting on a bus, is to wait on a bus? 

 

 

Reply #23 Top

All-random mode would be sweet. Wickedbear I don't know why you're throwing a hissy fit about this. No ones forcing you to play all-random games. Why would you force us to not have the option to go all-random?

Reply #24 Top

Quoting Nimbusg, reply 23
All-random mode would be sweet. Wickedbear I don't know why you're throwing a hissy fit about this. No ones forcing you to play all-random games. Why would you force us to not have the option to go all-random?

The option exist by everyone choosing random. As far as your other questions, please learn to read the last 12 posts.

Reply #25 Top

Quoting WickedBear, reply 24

Quoting Nimbusg, reply 23All-random mode would be sweet. Wickedbear I don't know why you're throwing a hissy fit about this. No ones forcing you to play all-random games. Why would you force us to not have the option to go all-random?
The option exist by everyone choosing random. As far as your other questions, please learn to read the last 12 posts.

No it doesn't, we don't even currently have a -random option to individually random. Yes, when you join a lobby you default select a random hero, but one of the better things about a random option is that your enemy doesn't know whats coming.

 All-random games are fun because they mix things up. I like them because it keeps me on my toes. Your opposition to this doesn't make sense. Stop being hostile.