Should pirate ships give no experience

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I was playing with a thought that pirate ships and perhaps militia as well should give no combat experience at all or perhaps make it ridiculously low exp points

With todays games players tend to rush titan and then farm it on pirate base....

While valid strategy to get stronger titan many times employed by me as well perhaps it shouldn't be so. A lot of times player who has better path to pirate base will get there first and therefore have a map given advantage.

What do you think regarding pirate bases....

With militia this would be double edged sword as that would mean caps as well would be slow to lvl up....

Thoughts

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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top

Agreed, pirates are made inactive in MP anyway.

Really, inactive pirates should mean they are not even there at all.

Or maybe pirates having no XP reward would bring them back into MP as they become a true nuisance and not just an XP feed

Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top

Disagree from a SP perspective. I play with the pirates on (even modded them to be real nasty) and enjoy the XP. But from an MP perspective I can see where you are coming from.

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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top

My feeling is pirate base shouldn't be included when pirates are inactive...this would require engine change though so for now I'd just go with a request to have "no pirate base" copies of all the random maps...this would solve this issue greg is speaking of, which in smaller competitive games is most certainly a problem...

I'd also say that the pirate base can ruin the map, especially smaller games, so getting rid of it would solve more than one problem....

Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Seleuceia, reply 3
My feeling is pirate base shouldn't be included when pirates are inactive...this would require engine change though so for now I'd just go with a request to have "no pirate base" copies of all the random maps...this would solve this issue greg is speaking of, which in smaller competitive games is most certainly a problem...
End of Seleuceia's quote

You know those "Fair" random maps you/SD/others are making? The no pirate base would be a great tie-in for those maps.

 

Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top

Could you just make it so that when pirates are inactive, they spawn as a militia guarding an uncolonized pirate base, rather than an occupied one?

Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top

disagree, i like pirates how they are.

Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

Flip it around on ya...maybe Titans shouldn't level, upgrade like starbases do.

This would solve the Titans keeping their level fiasco.

Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting wbino, reply 8
Flip it around on ya...maybe Titans shouldn't level, upgrade like starbases do.

This would solve the Titans keeping their level fiasco.
End of wbino's quote

This would be absolutely horrifying. It would make the game far more shifted towards whomever has the most cash, Plus, speaking as a modder, this would really destroy Titans as a ship entity, as it would just make them mobile star bases versus super capital ships.

Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Lavo_2, reply 9

Quoting wbino, reply 8Flip it around on ya...maybe Titans shouldn't level, upgrade like starbases do.

This would solve the Titans keeping their level fiasco.

This would be absolutely horrifying. It would make the game far more shifted towards whomever has the most cash, Plus, speaking as a modder, this would really destroy Titans as a ship entity, as it would just make them mobile star bases versus super capital ships.
End of Lavo_2's quote

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agreed, horrible idea.

Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting wbino, reply 8
Flip it around on ya...maybe Titans shouldn't level, upgrade like starbases do.

This would solve the Titans keeping their level fiasco.
End of wbino's quote

While I agree titans would have been a lot better off without leveling up like capitalships do, a purely economic system like starbases could be worse for the reasons Zombie and Lavo mentioned. The only half way decent thing I can think of is to give titans much more prominent bombardment ability and let them get XP from planets (2 planets destroyed for level 2, 3 for 3 etc.), though that is hardly ideal.

Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top

Just throwing ideas out there...seeing what sticks...

Reply #12 from Sins Forums Top

Yeah economical LVL up would mean titans wont even get into the fights until they are LVL 3 for eradica and LVL 6 or above for most of others. That would also mean that players/team with better map or eco would win by default as titans LVL 6 or above are really death dealing machines.

 

Reply #13 from Sins Forums Top

Perhaps it is possible to leave exp as it is just make it so that titans don't receive experience from said ships?

Reply #14 from Sins Forums Top

Disagree.  Pirate XP was already lowered, and you can only go from lvl 1 to lvl 3 with titan on pirate base, not a big deal.  Your idea also impacts TEC loyalist, as they are defensive for a very long time and would rely on pirate/militia XP to level their caps.

Reply #15 from Sins Forums Top

Yes but lvl 3 titan is much stronger than lvl 1 and it does give "unfair" advantage to player that got there first.

Reply #16 from Sins Forums Top

With the pirates not being particularly strong at the moment, perhaps a joint solution is to code a pirate base at a set distance from each player. More pirates and everyone can level the titan this way if they should so choose.

Reply #17 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting lankymon, reply 17
With the pirates not being particularly strong at the moment, perhaps a joint solution is to code a pirate base at a set distance from each player. More pirates and everyone can level the titan this way if they should so choose.
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Pirate bases are already set up to do this. It's not an equilateral distance, as this is impossible to do.

Reply #18 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Howdidudothat, reply 15
you can only go from lvl 1 to lvl 3 with titan on pirate base, not a big deal.
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Having level 2 (instead of lvl 1) of an AoE ability like Chastic burst or scattershot is a huge deal...it can make the difference between 60 LFs raping the titan and the titan raping 60 LFs...

That extra level in the AoE abilities dramatically changes what frontliners can do with the fleet they already have, and may force them to completely redo their fleet composition.....

Reply #19 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting wbino, reply 8
Flip it around on ya...maybe Titans shouldn't level, upgrade like starbases do.

This would solve the Titans keeping their level fiasco.
End of wbino's quote

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Reply #20 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Nightraid3r, reply 20

Quoting wbino, reply 8Flip it around on ya...maybe Titans shouldn't level, upgrade like starbases do.

This would solve the Titans keeping their level fiasco.

stop trolling
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Reply #21 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Seleuceia, reply 19
Having level 2 (instead of lvl 1) of an AoE ability like Chastic burst or scattershot is a huge deal...it can make the difference between 60 LFs raping the titan and the titan raping 60 LFs...

That extra level in the AoE abilities dramatically changes what frontliners can do with the fleet they already have, and may force them to completely redo their fleet composition.....
End of Seleuceia's quote

Funny, I can kill level 7 TEC rebel all day long and my fleet never dies, just ask Krath.  Maybe it's because I use AM sucking abilities, and lots of LRFs and bombers.

Reply #22 from Sins Forums Top

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is hiring the pirates... which I like to do on occasion for something like a diversionary attack. 

It's a good tactic, but at the same time it gives your opponent a chance to gain levels faster, so you have to use it wisely.... otherwise you might build your opponants titan's lvl's faster than your own... it's very much a double edged sword tactic. 

Personally I like the pirates the way they are... in fact I'd love to see a couple Pirate Cap ships down the road, and perhaps their own starbase.

Reply #23 from Sins Forums Top

Well, if THAT's all you want...

*Points to Distant Stars Mod*

There may be people who can help with that...once they get the Rebellion version done.  ;p

And I'm inclined to agree that the Pirates are fine the way they are.  (As far as experience goes anyway.)  Although personally, I'd like to see them become more of a full on faction.

-Twi /)

Reply #24 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Twilight_Storm, reply 24

 Although personally, I'd like to see them become more of a full on faction.

-Twi /)
End of Twilight_Storm's quote

that could be fun....

Reply #25 from Sins Forums Top

Custom maps can be designed that don't have a pirate base at all