Vasari Loyals

While strip rush is path in right direction combined with returning armada it still gets you big fleets for cheap money.

Vasari Rebel after patch:

• Titan while still gets massive repair rates in big fights if you attack him with selected frigates it will die.
• SB phase jumping ability is not tied to number of labs you own. And destabilization doesn't work on itself. I think when jumping is tied to 8 military labs that need to be build and destabilization works on itself it will go far towards balancing the race. Only problem afterwards will be amount of SB you can build with 0 fleet supply.

Also, minidumps are back.

I give you the benefit of doubt that you are trolling and not just colossally stupid.

1. If wasari can have infinitely scaling nanoleach, can i has infinitely scaling malice back plox nao?

Irony is, ofcourse, that this titan is least of the unbalances. Comparing to orkulus rex, this seems balanced and tame...

...Which leads me to the point number2.

t8 non prerequisite military tech that can be rushed in 15 min or under depending how lucky you are with neutrals.

Mind you i can start building starbase as at t2 to guard my arse, and upgrade it as i build up labs and scout rush the fuck out of neutrals.  Then at t8 *BING*, it magically turns from beefy de-ffencive weapon to o-ffensive weapon comparable to lvl 6 titan. Can you spot the imbalance here or do i need to color it pink for you using the crayons you have up your nose?

Oh, and pray tell me, what is the "solution" that can balance out something that can be build at every gravity well without any fleet support, and then move around? What is acceptable trade off from "mobility" that you pay in firepower?

How far you need to nerf something that can be crapped out en masse for no upkeep cost penalties to the vasari spamming them?

I have played games as vasari where i had lvl 1 fleet, eco spot with best eco in map and still was fielding more firepower on field than any one who had maxed fleet upgrades...

This thing starts unbalanced, but it also scales to infinity so yeah. How do you balance something that scales to infinity?

Havent played against really skilled yet but so far it seems that are useful in first 10 min or as harassment ....... 

they are useless

What about Orkulus could only jump while not upgraded?
The only advantage over vanilla would then obviously be the build time others do need for a starbase at a foreign planet.

Then replace Assault Deployment with another Tech... dunno what.

Much appreciated. Concerning Nano-Leech: All I said was that now you at least don't have to move any capital ships away from this thing in addition to any frigates, since the poor guys may now keep their antimattter. I did not say that Nano-Leech is balanced whatsoever.

Concerning the Orkulus: I am 100% with you that the Orkulus in its current state is unbearable due to the effect that its numbers are limited by the number of grav wells only. Though, if you would add a fleet supply cost to it this would make it inherently inferior to the other star bases since you imposed an constraint on it that the others are lacking. So the imho more elegant solution would be to ensure that a jumping Orky constantly has significantly lower combat capability than its traditional counterpart. 

Thus I would encourage tieing its jumping ability to a multi-tiered upgrade so that you have to choose between the combat upgrades in full extent or less combat upgrades plus mobility upgrade. 

I hope this sounds more reasonable to you than the last post which wasn't directed at you to begin with. 

EDIT: To pack in some numbers: Make Starbase Mobility require 5 upgrade slots. This would reduce the amount of combat upgrades significantly.

Well they are finally going to get their own damage type in the next patch, so at least then they can be altered without screwing everything else up. But yes, capitalships, planet modules and light frigates should all be much better against them. There secondary abilities will now matter a bit more though.

Nope, I just repeat everything Yarlen says on the forums. Did you miss the memo?

I second

You know I don't get those...and if I did, I'd ignore them...memos are sooo mainstream...