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Can we please fix the minion exploit

Can we please fix the minion exploit

well, I just got done playing a 2vs2 (pantheon). It was me (UB) and another Ub against Sedna and an Oak.

About 5 minutes into the game, the Oak player had 5 or 5+ of each minion. By the end of the game, he had 5 bishops, 5 high kings, 5 siege demolishers, and about 10 spirits.  I hope this is fixed before it gets totally out of hand.

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Reply #26 Top

Quoting InfiniteVengeance, reply 25

What I don't seem to understand is... how all of you just meet ONE guy who successfully carries his team in such a manner, and start to cry foul. You don't try it yourself, you don't try making a counter. You just go on the forums and cry your eyes out demanding a fix.
You cannot repick your hero once you're in the game.  If you do not have high powered aoe (aka if you are not torchbearer) you cannot kill a SWARM of priests.  Not even with queen of thorns.

What counter do you make, exactly?
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BUT BUT BUT THe Parasite Egg will do it all for you.. hit the general with the egg.. AoE and Poof all the minions go buh bye.. they take added damage because HE took damage...

 

Prior to the parasite egg the natures' wrath ring with the 250 damage to all in an area will do it for you too..

Reply #27 Top

It's funny how people freak out when I do it with archers and archers, but no one gives a shit when I do it with archers and then priests. Of course, I'm talking about initial purchase at the very beginning of the game.

Reply #28 Top

I suffered with this last night, Erebus was running round with 4 of each minion plus his raise dead ones fairly early game. Even as an UB i could barely make a dent into one of them before i had to run away due to the mass of damage i was taking. He kept maintaining his innocence and didnt know what he was doing but each time his swarm did get killed he'd disappear and come back with more. Its fine if you have mines / an aoe but without them you can do nothing. As soon as i got clear of my towers he'd swarm the whole lot at me and i'd have to back off.

Reply #29 Top

Quoting CliffyG, reply 3
I suffered with this last night, Erebus was running round with 4 of each minion plus his raise dead ones fairly early game. Even as an UB i could barely make a dent into one of them before i had to run away due to the mass of damage i was taking. He kept maintaining his innocence and didnt know what he was doing but each time his swarm did get killed he'd disappear and come back with more. Its fine if you have mines / an aoe but without them you can do nothing. As soon as i got clear of my towers he'd swarm the whole lot at me and i'd have to back off.
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No corpse explodious or Ooze for you?

 

Seriously?

 

 

Reply #30 Top

It was early game and i don't usually spec that way, i did get the first level of corpus explodious to help but that requires me to kill something to take effect. I was taking severe damage the instant i engaged and was lucky to kill more than 1 minion before having to back away.

Reply #31 Top

I was in the same game as CliffyG and it was indeed an absolute pain in the arse to deal with. His protestations of innocence just made the game even more annoying. I get the feeling that he had so many minions my game crashed or some shiz :(

Just my luck I was trying a mineless regulus build at the time :(

Also sure, yes, parasite egg, now if only it didn't cost 4.5k and you haven't the money they have from feeding. :P

It honestly doesn't matter what kind of strategies are available, the fact that the devs said this is something they are fixing means it is an exploit and shouldn't be allowed.

Reply #33 Top

Quoting kurjak82, reply 7
it's not en exploit
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Lol, right, get a clue. It's been already stated multiple times by devs it's not an intended behavior.

Reply #34 Top

Is this even an exploit?  People keep calling it an exploit, but I haven't seen the devs confirm it yet.

 

Sounds like a bunch of b!tching about something that isn't that big of a deal to me.

Reply #35 Top

the formula for simultaneously controlling multiple idol minions of the same archetype (ex: multiple ranks of priest minions) is enough to conclude that this "tactic" is an exploit.  it's obvious that players are able to bypass the "2 of each minion-type" rule GPG set in place by following said formula, making the "tactic" an exploit.

the exploit might not be effective or practical all the time due to mechanics such as AoE, but it's still an exploit.

i've never tried it out, but i've had people leave games when they lost all of their lower tier minions, usually as a result of dying.  fix it and be done with it imo.

Reply #36 Top

It was confirmed as an exploit by Kryo some time ago iirc. Its also not a big deal, its a powerful strategy that works well when your team is winning just like every other strat that requires a lot of consumables. If your team is on the back foot stacking minions is just one of many ways to put all your eggs in one basket and go for broke, though it by no means works every time.

Here's a thought: nuke the general as a team and watch their investment disappear into thin air. You need team coordination to counter tower rooks, healing sednas, and many other strats, so stop trying to hero everything yourself and start typing to your allies.

Quoting CliffyG, reply 5
It was early game and i don't usually spec that way
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You also can't summon very large numbers of minions at the start, and they are irreplacable since the mana cost and gold cost is relatively high for a low level character. So kill the minions and you've just achieved a gold advantage over your opponent.

If you're playing against a general and they're summing large packs of minions during mid game, buff your armor. Theres also several armor items that can reflect damage or activate a shield when you're hit which will help since the # times you're getting hit will be quite high, even if the damage isnt huge.

If you've reached the point where you have overcome mana issues, use your nukes on their minions...How long do you think a Sedna player lasts if you kill their 30%-every-10-seconds priests? This is one of the first things to consider when playing against Sedna in a mid-game duel.

My conclusions on this issue are that minion stacking is a good mid game strat that doesnt really hold up late game. Compare pumping gold into minion stacking every time you push to buying mage slayer or ashkandor.

Reply #37 Top

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Second of all, the gold used by them to summon this fragile army that is completely useless against any AoE attack means they can't use this gold to buy better gear. If they can kill you consistently while blowing their gold on a next to useless army, then it is less of a testimony to the overpoweredness of this exploit, and more of one to your complete incompetence at this game.

Third of all, this "exploit" requires a lot of time. If you cannot successfully take advantage of their extended absence during which they are not taking a flag, not healing, not buying items, but rather raising a very fragile and expensive army, then you have no one to blame but yourself

I understand how a crapload of minions can help you in a push. But if it is so effective against you that it is killing you repeatedly and consistently enough to allow him to pay the high upkeep of such an army, and you are so blind to your inability to play that you go to the forums crying about it, then:"

 

Will have to disagree with....everything quoted right here.  I know how to play (establishing credentials).  The store bought minions are tough, and cannot be combatted effectively at lvl 1-4 when youre skills are very weak.  While the counters mentioned in this post, such as kill the general, are effective, in practice if the player is skilled you wont b e getting that kill.  Theyre going to push you effectively till lvl 7-10 where by that time youre so far behind its almost impossible to come back on certain maps, such as crucible when there is only one flag to fight over in domination.  I dont know where the poster is getting the concept of it taking alot of time.  The strength in this strat is that it does NOT take time.  They hit the ground running with multiple strong minions which gives a huge advantage in the beginning of the game. I am of the opinion that this is not working as intended...I honestly think if i did this with my oak I would never lose again.

Reply #38 Top

BUT BUT BUT THe Parasite Egg will do it all for you
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Parasite Egg is a piece of crap, and costs a lot of gold to boot.

Reply #39 Top

Quoting vindKtiv, reply 22




You are right, I have never played a good minion build. If you can play a good minion build, then you are probably a better player than me and I'll admit that. That being said however, I have yet to see a player utilize a build relying heavily on minions and still be effective.

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it seems you haven't just obviously never played a good minion build, but also just haven't played many games against good players, cause a minion build just can be very effective if not being noob-controled, k?

Reply #40 Top

Quoting InfiniteVengeance, reply 13

BUT BUT BUT THe Parasite Egg will do it all for you
Parasite Egg is a piece of crap, and costs a lot of gold to boot.
End of InfiniteVengeance's quote
I disagree. Experiment with it more.

Reply #41 Top

What I don't seem to understand is... how all of you just meet ONE guy who successfully carries his team in such a manner, and start to cry foul. You don't try it yourself, you don't try making a counter. You just go on the forums and cry your eyes out demanding a fix.
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So, if this is above your understanding, then why comment on it? 

From your repsonses, I know you have never fought an experienced player who has used this exploit.

Reply #42 Top

Quoting InfiniteVengeance, reply 13

BUT BUT BUT THe Parasite Egg will do it all for you
Parasite Egg is a piece of crap, and costs a lot of gold to boot.
End of InfiniteVengeance's quote

 

Cripples the damage output of my Erebus, that's for sure.

Reply #43 Top

while this shold be fixed, i think its a pretty dumb strategy to waste all that gold on minions that can die so easily and then they are really a waste of gold. If the players is strong enough so that you cant kill his extra minions, then thats ur fault for letting them get that strong.