[Major Exploit]

Eh? Are you buying any gear for HP and armor at all? Minions don't exactly do much damage, and staying away from minions shouldn't be too tricky, as a last resort you could just retreat behind some towers. Also, how on earth is controling a minion army with a general an exploit?

Wait, so you're saying she has more than 6 idol minions?  I.E. purchase, summon, sell, purchase, summon more?

Hum, if you can do that... that is very very bad.  Granted it should be expensive... unless doing so lets you use multiple of level 1 idols...

No, the general can buy, cast and sell an idol, and then go to the next level up and do the same thing again

I've noticed myself that I ended up with more then 2 or a certain type of minion when I've sold a lower level idol to get a higher one, so I think the problem is the game doesn't check\desummon minions from a different level idol of the same type when you summon new ones from it. Uh, I'm pretty tired so my if that sentance didn't make any sense then try buying a level 1 Minotaur idol, summoning them, selling it and buying a level 2 idol and summoning again, should end up with two level 1 Minotaurs and two level 2 Minotaurs, which doesn't really seem to be what was intended.

I can confirm this.

That would be debilitatingly expensive. a general doing that consistantly is unlikely to have much gold for anything else, so just focus on the general and ignore the horde?

Yeah, kill them once early, don't let them get to the point where they have that many.

a Sedna General heals her minions, and with 8 priests as backup AND her own healing spells + armor.. i don't think you are going to have much luck bringing her down as simply as that.

This was brought up during the beta. I had hoped the 0-day patch would fix this.

Exactly the other generals aren't that bad but Sedna and her Aura regen + 8 Clerics makes her pack invincible.

Also not sure where i worked out it was 20...

2x4 = 8.

8x3 = 24

+ 4 yetis = 28Minions!  Anyone doing this should be looked down upon as it completely ruins the game =/

UB with his corpse explosions and his plague, plus if you get items that include the cheap one that does 250 lightning damage to an area at 15% or something. Then get anything with cleaving. You just walk through waves of creeps and minions, especially if you have frenzy. You can easily get most of this by the time Sedna can afford all her minions and such. This is just one stratagy to counter minions I've found, but I'm sure most of the time you can do similar. For example regulus' angel form has a fairly strong splash as well. Minions are fairly easy to destory when you have splash/cleaving/aoe's. If you have a general on your team you can get them to distract the minions with theirs, then the assasin can go after the opposing general.

There is plenty of stratagy to take them down, the stats from pantheon prove it.

Pfft. With their notable cooldown, Sedna-heals sure as heck don't grow on trees, and attempting to perma-cast heals before mid-to-late game is only going to result in a heavily depleted mana bar. (And attempting to do it mid-game will usually result in a poor bank balance for purchasing idols, what with all the MP regen gear you need to buy...) True, Healing Wind will do this for free, but 10-20 hp per second ain't exactly a great deal. For these reasons, I'd say the priests would be of primary concern, if you're worried about the sustainability of Sedna's army.

I'd advise anyone to start whiping out some heavy damage (Non-AOE, if need be) abilities on those minions and whittle them away. It's not like they're going to be easy (or cheap) to replace in this scenario.

I made a thread about minion spam in the strategy section because unlike you, I do not view it as an exploit but rather a potential strat.  It's totally counterable.  If you can't use AoE, pick off the minions one at a time.  Every single one you kill is a potential loss.  It's also on the list of things to change so people won't be able to do it when they get around to patching gameplay.  What more do you want?  Idols are useless without this and probably useless with it against good players.  You remind me of those people in other games who try to claim moral superiority because they refuse to rush.  You aren't better than other people because you refuse to play the game to the limits of it's rules and expect others to do the same.  You're just snobbier.

What demi where you that didn't have an aoe and where can I select it? Cause all 8 have multiple aoe's that you'd be hard pressed to somehow avoid skilling up.

It's not an exploit. It's a legit strategy. It has a distinct downside as well. What happens when Sedna dies? All the buying selling will make her lose significant amounts of gold that could otherwise be spent on armor/potions whatnot. Leave it as it is. If people start overabusing it effective strategies to counter will be developed and become commmon as well.

Unclean Beast doesn't force you to get an aoe, you have to build him around it. The cookie build with him is spit\inner\ wrath\ life drain.

And I do see this as an exploit. It's a slip skill, a lot of games have them. They're "skills" that are obviously not intentional but quickly get picked up by the community and then left alone by the company. After all, what does the company care? They just want those people to keep playing and get their friends to buy a copy.

A notorious example would be "wave dashing" in Super Smash Brother Melee. The argument on weither or not it was an intentional skill is still being debated today, but it's a slip skill and it's adopted now as a "pro" skill. Can't really update console games though so..

Hopefully this gets fixed. Yes it has plenty of counters and it is thankfully a toss up about how effective it really is, but let's keep tested things in for the sake of balance.

Sedna has no AE

Sedna's "AOE" is via Yetis and the Wide Swing skill.

iirc Frogboy said this issue was on a high priority list to be addressed.

Its an exploit thats game breaking you can end  fortress game within 10 minutes and all you need is 4k.

lol a minion AE is not a DG AE.  TB AE and QOT AE vs a mininon AE is very very different and also requires level 15.

I'm still not convinced it's that big of an issue, but I'm assuming the developers have more information and tracking tools and have the time to run actual test cases where multiple people try to explote this tactic to see if it really is unbalanced.

From my understanding if Sedna is back at the fortress/crystal she's not gaining exp or gold.  So all she's really doing is providing mobs that also don't give gold or exp to a fight.  If all demigods on a team are doing it, then maybe it's an issue, otherwise not really sure it is.

Why is it so high priority because one person says so?  If you upgraded your Demigod like you should have been doing, one spell can almost kill all her minions.  If you play it right, you can even kill her even with all her minions there. 

I did exactly such on Cat a day ago.  Sedna was attacking our tower with like 12 minions and herself, I headed over there and ice showered all of them, most but a few died.  I then froze what was left and ice struck her (forgive me for names) and she was down to a little below half health.  A teammate came up behind and attacked as well, I did another ice shower and she was dead and all her minions. 

I have NEVER had a problem with what you are talking about.  Nor ever seen a player using Sedna do it.  It is a complete waste of money.  Sedna needs more valuable items than to waste it on minions like that.

I don't want to be an ass or anything,

I just feel that you guys are over reacting as lvl1 and lvl2 minions are getting 1 shotted by breathing on them at DGlvl6.  Basicaly any attacks should kill those minions and as a oak player I can tell you that it is pretty hard to keep those lvl1 alive for the whole game.

I wouldn't call this an exploit rather just some kind of tricks that "generals" can use over "assassins" for a rather short time.

thats all.