Maybe I've misunderstood, but was it not mentioned in a previous update the Ladder ranking was supposed to reflect Skirmish and Pantheon games?

Yesterday I had a single Pantheon game (recorded as win), and went from 2540 to 2533 Ladder experience. (plenty of Custom games in addition, both wins and losses)

I also noticed a player advancing 4 spots on page one of Ladder ranking with nothing but Custom game wins over the weekend.

If you go into a game that is all AI, that means you disconnected during the loading process.  Disconnects are automatic losses for now.  We'll see about changing that so it's a little more fair.

If a game shows everyone as losing, that means the host disconnected, no one was chosen as the new host for some reason, and so everyone got a loss.  Would you happen to have a link to some games where you saw this?

I believe achievements are still being worked on, to fix the remaining bugs.  We recently updated the achievements heavily to work with our CVP system.

There were recenty discussions of adding custom games to ladder again, but I'm not sure when T-Man and Frogboy were planning on doing that.  They may have already done that.

Bara

 http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/658136/player/59638/

That seems to be the only one I could find. (Don't even remember how that game played out, been a while.)

A question:

Rage Quits and v1.1 of Demigod talk Frogboy stated:
Early Quits
Games that last less than 3 minutes aren’t counted. If you get into a game where it’s lagging or you have an obnoxious partner or opponent or someone has a very slow sim speed, you can quit in those first few minutes, no harm, no foul.

So say I somehow end up with an AI partner, and leave as soon as the game starts. The other team then sees the opportunity for easy favour points, and continues with the game against AI. So the total game continues, but my game ends within the first minute. (This is very common scenario.) Will I end up with a loss in that case?

Since you quit within the first 3 minutes, then no, it shouldn't count.

Bara

But the enemy, who now plays against AI, they still get victory?

Bara,

Can something be done for stat tracking regarding the host disconnect exploit (I documented this in detail here http://forums.demigodthegame.com/357971).  Is it possible in the web coding to exclude games from the stats where there is only 1 winner (excluding 1v1 games of course)?  That wouldn't do much to help everyone playing with someone using the exploit (as they'd all still get losses), but at least they wouldn't be able to artificially inflate their stats using this method. 

strike of the 12 + hour bump... BUMP IT DEE BUMP.  I'm guessing vacation may have hit for you as well.  If so, enjoy!

Is there anyway we can get this thread back to sticky, because it has a lot of good information and a good link for the patheon stats page. And why was it unstickied to begin with. It has been stickied since before release of the game.

How much longer until stat tracking works?  I am pleased to say that it appears all of my games are tracking in the pantheon now and counting towards my record (good job!). 

However, please make the 3 minute concede "no harm done" start from the point the game actually begins, not from the point where you get hung at "waiting for other players" as the game tries to load.  That's pretty useless.

My last "loss" in pantheon came when the other 3 players disconnected during the game loading screen.  I patiently waited it out, and after about 7 minutes the game finally started (with me and 3 AIs).  Not wanting to do a 20 minute comp stomp (I AM playing multiplayer after all aren't I?), I conceded thinking that the 3 minutes would make the game show "N/A" in my stats.  Wrong.  The game shows up as 9 minutes long -- all 4 players got a loss. 

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/716371/player/48267/

Bump.. Please re-sticky this post it has alot of information on the current state of the ladder that ppl should be aware of.

Hi Bara

[Suggestion]  Exp display on Games Played List

We've thought about it, but we aren't currently keeping track of experience changes per game.  The major problem is that we have different experience values for each game type (eg, tournaments vs. skirmish vs. custom games), so we'd have to store multiple values to make it accurate, and we just aren't doing that.  Maybe in a future version of Demigod we'll implement this.

Bara

I've re-stuck it for now, but sometimes some Stardockians go through the stickies once in a while and unstick posts that aren't needed anymore.  I am not working on the Demigod site anymore for the time being, and GPG along with some Stardock employees have resolved most of the stat issues.  The remaining ones they are working on now.  These issues generally don't have to do much with me or the website, and more to do with the backend systems in place.  So there won't be very many major updates to the site itself in the near future.

I did push an update a few weeks back to add some features such as which Epoch a game falls under, who was counted for a specific game and who wasn't (a small star will be next to the win/loss column if the player was not counted), and a few bug fixes.  Nothing major.

Bara

[Suggestion]  Add Stats items

Hi Bara

I hope to add Stats Item in Epcoh 3 or later.

-Total
Kill,Death,Assist,Flag,Structure,Grunt and Citadel Upgrade

-Average(Per Game)
Kill,Death,Assist,Flag,Structure,Grunt,Citadel Upgrade and Disconnect Rate

And also should be see these stats in lobby , or modders should be able to use them

I have been reviewing the stats...mainly around myself..and for the life of me, I cannot see how the Ladder ranking system works...I see players with more favor, more experience, more playtime...but ranked incredibly low...any way of having a place where the Stats and rankings are clearly explained...like a link on the tournament page with a Statistics Explained link?

Thanks!

I haven't waded through all the replies to see if this was already discussed, but being strictly a PUG player results in my win/loss ratio being mediocre at best.  In fact, it's gotten me kicked out of some games I've tried to join.  A somewhat more meaningful statistic would be average favor in games won, and average favor in games lost.

Although favor is still largely influenced by team performance, it does provide a bit more insight into your performance relative to other players on both the winning and losing side of a game (e.g., my team lost but I acheived more favor than members of the winning team), and so it is a bit more useful than just the win/loss ratio.

Basically, I'm looking for a more accurate way to gauge player skill beyond wins/losses because those are too inaccurate in terms of the individual player, and even more so for PUG vs. team players.

EDIT: Hmmm, maybe this is what experience is supposed to reflect, I'll have to research further.

Hey Bara any update on statistics too see what favor items are used?

We may not add favor items until a future revision of the site, which I'm not sure when will come. 

Also, we are not yet releasing how experience and ranking are calculated.  Perhaps in the future we will provide that information, but for the time being it will stay a mystery

Bara

Can you just give us some idea how often BotF is used?  You take away horn of battle and ring of divine might but leave the worse favor item in game?

That would be something Frogboy would have to share.

Bara

     I have a suggestion. After reviewing the "TOP PLAYERS" I really noticed a trend. Most of the top players are staying in a hosted custom game with settings that are allowing the game to be ranked. Now, as this game keeps persistent data which adds to the motivation to play the game online and adds to the sense of player accomplishment, the ranking system that you have provided is a great tool for social circles and "bragging rights". I think that if the "Top players" were to put thier stats on the line and be at the mercy of the Pantheon system of choosing your teammates, regardless of thier experience, we would probably see a much different ranking.

I would like to see the real top player...one who consistently wins skirmishes + Pantheon + custom. And have a separate "Top Players" for each category. For example: Skirmish Top Players, Pantheon Top Players, Custom Game Top Players, and the OVERALL Top Players. take player A for example. Player A wins 10 Lost 0 skirmishes, wins 10 lost 0 Pantheon, wins 10 lost 0 Custom. Player B wins 150 lost 0 Custom, wins 5 lost 0 skirmishes, and never played Pantheon. To me, Player A is a more skilled player. the top players list (Overall) should reflect this.  Custom games allow for individuals to more affect thier gamming destiny.

I think that this would really allow for a more dynamic statistics system and allow players to work in the types of games they are comfortable with. You do not always get to pick your teammates in life, that is why those that really succeded in those environments feel all the more joy. For those that just want to host a game with a couple of friends and pad stats by beating up on noobies...not a problem...there would be a separate category for such. This would allow for a great lead in for Clan games. 

I know this may suggest a change in front end structure as I have no idea the mechanism you use in the back end; though I do feel assured that almost to a player, most will agree with me.

Thanks for the great work you have done so far.

P.S. Maybe have an archive site for old achievements and after a quarter of Play....reset everyones current statistics!

Says you. I know many folks who use it..more than 15 at least.

I am saying BoF is worse item cause of HP stacking it is worse then Horn or Ring they both scale as game goes on.  Bof is huge early game and then fades it is imbalanced cause most games don't make it to level 10. That is why it should be removed or benefits lowered or changed to like 10% of total health. cause armour also effects it and so do monks.

incorrect posting

I pushed an update earlier this morning:

9/21/2009
- Fixed how player stats are saved to the database, so custom games now count for Ladder Rankings/Experience (not all custom games though, just ranked custom games, see below).
- Added Notes tab to player pages. This will allow you to view and manage private notes for other players, which will eventually appear within Demigod itself. Only you can view notes you've written, and you cannot view other's notes or notes written about you.
- The player stats on the left side of the primary player page now includes a small description for each stat.
- Fixed minor bugs with graphs.
- Fixed other minor bugs.

Custom games now count for Ladder Rankings/Experience, but not all custom games.  If a custom game lasts less than 5 minutes or does not have a human player for each team, it will not be ranked.  Note that if you want your stats to update, you will have to play a few games in various game types and maps to get the updated numbers.  Unfortunately, our job only runs at the end of a game and only for that specific game type (eg, custom game or skirmish) and map.

The Notes will appear in Demigod (likely in the "who's connected/connecting" overlay in the lobby) when the next major update releases, among other things.  However, you will not be able to manage notes in-game, only through the website.

We already rank people seperately for skirmish and custom games.  When you click on Top Players, there are 3 tabs above the rankings: Ladder, Custom Game, and Skirmish.  Ladder is only ranked games across all 3 game types (tournaments, skirmish, and custom games), whereas Custom Game and Skirmish are only ranked games in the respective game type.

Bara

I saw the update today and am very pleased!  Looks good. 

I'm not sure if its a bug, but through this link http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/demigods/player/28414/ it looks like alot of my individual dg stats have been updated, but my rook stat is definitely wrong.  I show up with 4 wins, 1 loss and appear to be the number 4 rook. 

Thanks for all the hard work!