That's what I just said.  And it goes to what I said was Bush's biggest mistake.  Not standing up to the democrats in the first place. (But in all fairness, Bush would have done no better on this as it is based on a flawed premise).

I have to agree with you here. it was a good idea and a good effort at working with the enemy.

Keating 5  I say that is worse than Plagerism

Refresh my memory on this i was living out of the country when that happned.

So innocence is worse than guilt?  Thi sis Newspeak, right?  Up is down and down is up?

Now I see!  4 legs good, 2 legs better!

I will qualify that - it seemed like a good idea at the time, however as we see, it was a bad idea.

S&L failure - 5 congressman took money (campaign stuff of course) from a shady character who basically tanked a large S&L by improper accounting methods that inflated assets (sounds like Enron, eh?)

I think their might be some bait here but ok......it was 1987 Charles Keating(a devolper)  needed help with regulators and stalling regulation.  So McCain and other senators first stalled the regulation that would help prevent risky investments(kinda like we need now) to help keating out.  He also was involved in several meetings where it was discussed how to get the fed off of keatings back with regards to a business venture he had that was under some type of investigation.  Keating had already donated 112,000 to McCain and wanted he return favor for this.  So basically McCain sold his soul kinda thing.

He wasnt innocent he was there and did some actions.  At any rate it shows a good history of who McCain really works for and its not "Country First"

He was there - he did no actions, as the investigation found.  But nice try!  I am sure the dirt diggers at Obama are trying the same spin.  But regardless of spin, facts still get in the way.

So he was tried and convicted but still remains a senator? I am confused on this one. Thanks for bringing me up to speed on the keeting 5, like I said I was not in the country when that happened, I think I was in North Korea or China that year.

he did actions delaying regulation that is an action.  And surprisingly no he didnt go to jail....lucky him I guess...but needless to say he was way LESS than honest here.

I think it'd be dangrous to simply discount the results of a federal investigation. I mean these guys spend months talking to people and asking questions, trying to find the truth of what happened. Compared to someone like me who only hears about the thing on the news maybe for a week?

Not to say we shouldn't question authority (because they do get it wrong), but I think there has to some pretty solid proof otherwise in order to denounce the guy as guilty when they find him innocent. I mean whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty?

Of course there may be a way to spin this...maybe something along the lines of.

McCain's inability to notice what was happening around him during the Keating 5 fiasco puts into question his ability to think fast and lead the county during this time of financial crisis, when so much is at stake do you really want a guy who reacted slowly and did nothing to stop it in his younger years to be put in charge of things now that he's even older and slower?

Something along those line I think.

That is smart politics!  And consistent with his philosophy and votes.  And that is why there is no there there.  If they found him acting out of character, they may have, but as he did nothing out of character or philosophy, there was only innuendo.

But you are right in one respect.  Yes, the left would very much like to make conservative philosophy illegal.  They try every day

The problem is that while McCain may have moved on to break the law, he stopped short.  Just as Murtha did.  Murtha was surely not being engelic when he said he was not interested in a bribe now, but "catch me later".  But since he did not take one, he committed no crime.

That is what Moose is trying to hang McCain with.  Trouble is, the same standard - applied to Obama and Biden - would have them locked up as well.  We are not dealing with saints, just varying degrees of sinners.

You wonder why they have not latched onto that dont you?  The problem, as alluded to above, is that Obama has the same stink associated with him.  While there is no proof he took a bribe from a gangster, there is a lot of smoke on it, and the stink of it.  Obama does not want to scratch that itch because the scab of his own itch will come off and be exposed as well.

HA HA! Now that is some A grade political drama right there. Stuff I live for LOL

But I gotta admit if that is the reason why Obama hasn't pulled out that point, then that shows some good thinking and intelligence on Obama's side. Or that he didn't notice, but since we're in the big legues I suppose he should be that smart, afterall you surely can't become a presidential nominee just based on your good looks and charms alone right?

Tell that to Bill Clinton.

...and JFK.

Shh! We dont speak ill of the dead.

I dont see how a freudian slip can lead to  the destruction of half of Europe.

Agreed Bill Clinton JFK were more style then substance. But the substance that one of them had, I wont say which one (JFK) was pretty important. He definently wasnt one of the greats but he wasnt horrible either.

Depends on the slip, now doesn't it?

Now that is keeping a secret.