GREAT concept – loves it but PLEASE . . .

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I’m a hardcore gamer all the way back from the early beginnings back in the eighties. I have tons of games and can defiantly tell after a short time playing - this game concept is something for me. But please give us gamers who like to think  ;)  back the opportunities to lower game speed a GREAT amount more as it is now, at least to half the speed that is the slowest as it is at the moment. This defiantly goes for research speed also.

Some loves fast paced games others (like me) love having time to grap the cup with coffee without constantly first pause the game  :NOTSURE:  This I also find I doing every time I open the research menu. So for me bottom line on making this great concept to the best game in all times for me would be:

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The opportunities to lower slowest overall game speed even more – way more than now.

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The opportunities to lower slowest research speed even more. For me about 10-20 times slower than the slowest at the moment would do the trick. I talking about minutes here, 10-20 (or more) real clock minutes for one research would be great. I like to really have to think over what to research next – what the best way would be. In my humble opinion as it is now there’s no big consequence to choose wrong. . . . it’s like; I choose this one . . . ZAPP done. . . oh no good . . . okay then this maybe good  ;) 

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Lastly, this is not a big issue for me but could it be possible to sharpen the edges of in-game text. As it is now text can be a little difficult to read – it looks fussy in my opinion.


Thanks for a fantastic coding work – I’m amazed over my old computer can cope with this game. Res=1280x1024, AAx2 all other on max settings and still getting between 20-40 FPS. Amazing :CONGRAT:.
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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top
Eh? I play very long games at Normal difficulty, a game last night was five hours before my stupid cat ended up hitting the power button on the top of my case in the middle of it. Perhaps you should play larger (6-10 player) games?
Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top
Eh? I play very long games at Normal difficulty, a game last night was five hours before my stupid cat ended up hitting the power button on the top of my case in the middle of it. Perhaps you should play larger (6-10 player) games?


Sad for u and maby also for u cat ;) But this kind of game i'm all ready at m8 and this have nothing to do with in-game speed.
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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top
How does it not have anything to do with in-game speed? Hitting slow research will make research really, really slow. Do you want it to be even slower than THAT?
Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top
Errm... it may be slow by today's standards, but it's not really that slow. I remember back in Master of Orion, some high-end research projects could take upwards of 50 turns to finish. 50 turns equals an hour or two. Now, that's slow. :)
Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top
the game can be modded however you like, once the devs release the modding crap, which they might have while i wasnt looking, you can edit the gamespeed to do whatever you want.
Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top
Errm... it may be slow by today's standards, but it's not really that slow. I remember back in Master of Orion, some high-end research projects could take upwards of 50 turns to finish - that's slow. 50 turns equals an hour or two. Now, that's slow.


Ya Master of Orion was also a great game and I can tell u and I have about same taste about game speed  :) 
Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top
Heh, such are the trends nowadays, everything is faster than it used to be and SotSE is no exception - although it is true - the game is made to be modded. I see no big issue with adjusting game speeds to whatever one likes, we just have to wait for the modding tools to come out.
Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top
Totaly agree about the game speed, in all areas. 30 seconds to build a space station, 1 min to 'research' some advanced technology ... gimme a break ;p

'Consolization' is alive and well I guess :)

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Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top
ManSh00ter u like it zapp-faaaast that's perfectly okay but a big chunk of ppl like it way slower than it is now. It's not a big issue to give the opportunity back from what I believed it was under beta. Here ppl complained over it was painful slow (mabe it was u) . . . give us "painful" and a little slower than this back plz ;)

Maybe modding can do the trick as u says - we have to wait and see if it would in a path or an opportunity in modding.
Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top
this thread vs. https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/?forumid=402&aid=175309 = head asplode!


Ha - ya must say we humans have different tastes :LOL:
Reply #12 from Sins Forums Top
Yes, I´m also one of those who likes it slow.
The RTS I like best is Rise of nations were research and gamespeed could be set to
very slow. Even then, I spent most time delivering orders to my units and the like - with the game paused.

For many players, those who mainly play TBS-games, the possibilty to turn the game to very slow speeds is VERY VERY important - that makes a huge difference.

Reply #13 from Sins Forums Top
The game already is slow? What?

Even on slow, research and building is nearly instant - compare that to the great 4X games of the last years MoO2 and GC2 (may include SE4 as well). When the modding tools are released, I plan on making an 'oldschool' mod that caters for the players that come from the TBS genre.

Twitch RTS gamers won't like it, but that won't be the target group of players anyway. ;)
Reply #14 from Sins Forums Top
Yes, I´m also one of those who likes it slow.
The RTS I like best is Rise of nations were research and gamespeed could be set to
very slow. Even then, I spent most time delivering orders to my units and the like - with the game paused.

For many players, those who mainly play TBS-games, the possibilty to turn the game to very slow speeds is VERY VERY important - that makes a huge difference.



ya exactly. . . VERY important :CONGRAT:
Reply #15 from Sins Forums Top
I dunno, I think the pacing works well for this game. How long do you need to take to decide to research one thing or another? Or tell your ships where to go. It sounds like you just want another turn based strategy game.
Reply #17 from Sins Forums Top
I dunno, I think the pacing works well for this game. How long do you need to take to decide to research one thing or another? It sounds like you just want another turn based strategy game.


Glad it works for u m8!

nope I as I stated - likes the concept in this game but as DaveCM said;

"30 seconds to build a space station, 1 min to 'research' some advanced technology ... gimme a break"

And this on slowest - A think period would be nice . . . u ever tried played chess m8? ;)

Reply #18 from Sins Forums Top
It's not about the decision, it's the research progress itself that is too fast. Basically the only limit is ressources, when time should be another major factor.

When your labs are occupied for more than a longer period of time (I'm thinking easily ten minutes for the later stages of the techtree), the decision what to research next becomes a much more important one, adding to the depth of the game.
Reply #19 from Sins Forums Top
In single player you can pause the game so you have time to read through the whole research tree etc. By default this is bound to the Pause key.
Reply #20 from Sins Forums Top
In single player you can pause the game so you have time to read through the whole research tree etc. By default this is bound to the Pause key.


ya u can pause but still when un-paused . . . zapp. . . done. . . damn. . . pause ones again. . . okay - then this one/or way. . . un-pause. . . zapp . . . done. . . damn. . . (Coffee gets cold). . . not fun - for me anyway!

No harm done if devs could give us speed: "painful", and maybe also some new opportunities like "crawling" and "crippling" ;) Of cause u "Zapp" TEC's still have u'r speeds of cause ;)

I hope one from devs would state here in this tread if this speed issue would be addressed in a patch or would be an opportunity in modding tool.

Reply #21 from Sins Forums Top
DAMN!! Ron, Para, Eeets, hobo and others thought I was nuts for wanting it to go slower - ROFL!! See everyone I'm not crazy other want it even slower as well - woohoo!!!

I'm not alone..

I am not Legend! ;p
Reply #22 from Sins Forums Top

I dunno, I think the pacing works well for this game. How long do you need to take to decide to research one thing or another? It sounds like you just want another turn based strategy game.


Glad it works for u m8!

nope I as I stated - likes the concept in this game but as DaveCM said;

"30 seconds to build a space station, 1 min to 'research' some advanced technology ... gimme a break"

And this on slowest - A think period would be nice . . . u ever tried played chess m8?





I've played chess. I've also played Blitz chess. I suck at both of them for very different reasons. They're two different experiences. The added pressure of the small time constraint in speed chess limits you in one way (especially if you're new to it and think like mollasses). You might not be able to come up with the optimal solution or even one that you consider 'good enough' and you have to take that into account while watching your opponent and formulating your next move. In regular chess going through the possible scenarios can be crippling as you try to out manuever your opponent. Maybe the research could be slowed down, because it seems that lower tech ships are just placeholders, but making the game too slow just misses the point IMO. Just for the record I'm totally not against the option to play the game slower. I just wouldn't want to play online with those settings.
Reply #23 from Sins Forums Top

In single player you can pause the game so you have time to read through the whole research tree etc. By default this is bound to the Pause key.



You're missing the point entirely. Please read carefully what we're saying.

Also note that we're (well, I'm, but I think the others will agree) that not saying this is a fault of the game. We're not even saying this is for everybody, just that we (as a sub-group of players) will enjoy having modded research and building times slowed down drastically.
Reply #24 from Sins Forums Top
We are many 1Spartan - believe me :)

But not many of us say anything. For me it's my second game ever I try to do something at - because I can see this game could be one of my best games ever.
 
Reply #25 from Sins Forums Top

I've played chess. I've also played Blitz chess. I suck at both of them for very different reasons. They're two different experiences. The added pressure of the small time constraint in speed chess limits you in one way (especially if you're new to it and think like mollasses). You might not be able to come up with the optimal solution or even one that you consider 'good enough' and you have to take that into account while watching your opponent and formulating your next move. In regular chess going through the possible scenarios can be crippling as you try to out manuever your opponent. Maybe the research could be slowed down, because it seems that lower tech ships are just placeholders, but making the game too slow just misses the point IMO. Just for the record I'm totally not against the option to play the game slower. I just wouldn't want to play online with those settings.


Ah okay sry - I also do not like speed chess. . No surprise here I guess :)

And I see what u mean m8 - this speed issue I'm at here is only meant for single player - sry for the confusing!