Why was my score deleted?

Isee now my only medals are "cakewalk" and "custom race"

I have never played a cakewalk game... and my rating yesterday was painful.

So, I'm to be punnished for exposing a GLARING problem in the metaverse scoring system?

Deleting my ranks and scores is somehow going to fix the problem????

I am going to have to agree with AW Trespasser.... Just fix it *Shrug*

Who is to say ANY of the OTHER scores werent milked to some degree? You need to delete those as well.

It's like saying I only broke the law a little bit and should not be punished, versus really breaking the law and getting the death penalty. Breaking the law is breaking the law be it a little or a lot. So to speak.

I can't find the post now, but in some thread 1-3 days ago Frogboy said that since that score was designed merely to cheat the system that it was being taken down in addition to the scoring changes.

Wiping your entire profile would be something that Blizzard would do and get a lot of hate from the players for. Now that Stardock did something similar I wonder if the fanboys will defend Stardock still.

I Feel for you AW. And I am also a bit confused on erasing that game, I mean who cares, it's the metaverse for gd sake, it's not like you can roll through Ironforge with that high score (PA reference ftw)

I agree that they shouldn't have deleted the score. Howvere, they are in the process of fixing it now and the yshould have just changed your score to whatever it would be under the new scoring system.

His score resulted from using the exploit, and when you use and unfair exploit just for a higher score or advantage you don't deserve the points. I just found a serious exploit in race creation that gives huge bonuses to a race for free, I won't say how. And while I could have a monster advantage over a computer player, I refuse to exploit that. You don't deserve the score because you didn't actually win a game, just racked up points. And yes, kudos to you for uncovering the problem, but no brownie points for wanting your score still.

Wave that e-peen! Show everybody whose is biggest! Be a martyr for the noble cause of exploited Internet high-score stardom! You earned your fame and glory, but The Man is keeping you down. I feel so bad for you.

Stardock deleting your score doesn't mean they don't plan on fixing the system. All it means is that there is no reason for you to have your name at the top of the list just because you exploited a flaw in the scoring. If the other guy did the same thing, prove it and then let them deal with it.

This problem is not going to go away on its own, and I will resubmit that score every time they delete it until the problem is fixed, or I am banned from submitting (with full refund of game, thank you very much)

You think you'll get a refund? I don't doubt Stardock's integrity, but demanding a refund if you get banned for being a whining asshole isn't going to fly. Read the terms of service. Your use of the Metaverse is subject to their approval.

It's called exploiting. If you really cant see that and wish to leave, fine by me. Scores are meant for games "played". Not games where you just punch a key over and over without any thought into what your doing rather then punching the key.

I for one am glad they removed your score and hope they nail any other blatant explots. Taa taa.

I can't find the post now, but in some thread 1-3 days ago Frogboy said that since that score was designed merely to cheat the system that it was being taken down in addition to the scoring changes.

I would very much like to see that post.

The post I saw was paraphrased : "Don't worry, the score will be recalculated when scoring problem is fixed"

And the scoring hasn't been fixed. 2nd place guy who did same thing I has first place now because he hit end turns less than I did.

Shall I now post a score 1 point higher than his to prove another point?

Just fix the problem, stardock, don't punnish people for playing by YOUR rules.

AW Trepasser, you should take a look at this thread https://www.galciv2.com/Forums.aspx?ForumID=345&AID=111734

If my score is to be deleted because it was an exploit, then any game played with influence victory turned off must also be deleted for the same reason.

. 2nd place guy who did same thing I has first place now because he hit end turns less than I did.

Possible, but he had only played 15 years for a gigantic suicidal game.

If they deleted your score, it looks like you weren't playing by their rules. Don't be an idiot just because you found a bug and exploited it. If they haven't dealt with the other guy, that's not your problem. The person with the highest legitimate score might have a real complaint, but you've got nothing. You found a bug. Great, have a cookie. Then stop whining.

Turning off influence victory is not an exploit. Making a public display of stupidity isn't going to prove your point.

Ahh, thanks for the link, that explains much and makes me happy!

I am very glad the problem will be fixed in 1.1

HOWEVER: The top 5 scores still listed are all cheese victories with influence victories turned off, and they aren't deleted.
Thus, manualy deleting cheese scores isnt working so great, now is it.

Possible, but he had only played 15 years for a gigantic suicidal game.

He himself admits it, its not "possible", its true.

HOWEVER: The top 5 scores still listed are all cheese victories with influence victories turned off, and they aren't deleted. Thus, manualy deleting cheese scores isnt working so great, now is it.

You know what? Screw it, you're stupid. If you can't tell the difference between an exploit and an option that is built into the game setup UI, there's no hope for you.

I think, it is not possible to get your money back simply for the metaverse issue. As long as they keep allow you to upgrade your game with updates (regardless it create problem in your system or not compare to previous version) and also as long as they keep forfill their duty of support your game to solve error, I think, they don't have to refund your money. It is also true about exploiting, and I hope you reconsider of keep submet the point, because it is hurting your images, and I respect you and honor your skill but please try to be a reasonable way. those issue can be discuss with stardock, and I am sure with formal negotiation, they may eventually arrive the best solution with your situation (regardless giving a new score after removing the bug or simply allow your old rating. Don't let them take away your privilege in metaverse, but it is under they decision to do and they don't actually breaking law for it!

I am not whining.
I volunteered to delete my score the moment they fixed the problem, and I meant it.

However, deleting it because you don't like the way I achieved a non cheat victory is not so honorable.

Fix it, don't hide it.

All of this is pointless now that I have been shown the link where they state what they are going to do.

NONE of this would have happened if they had simply mentioned it would be fixed.
I posted several times concerning this issue, and never got a response. I posted a smaller galaxy demonstration... still met with complete silence and denail that there was a problem. Only when people saw the big score and started "whining" because they couldn't figure out how I did it was the problem addressed.

You may think I am a whiner, but I did something that led to a major problem being fixed, and if that means I have to be the squeaky wheel, fine. Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I was actualy expecting it to be deleted until they said the scores would be recalculated... leaving absolutely no reason for them to delete it. After the recalculation, my score would have been horrificly low, problem solved.

THAT is what bothers me... its a bit two faced to tell me your going to fix it and recalculate the score, then turn around and delete it instead.

About the whole refund thing... some of you can't take a joke well, or recognize one, I suppose.

Like they are ever going to give anyone a refund, lol.

They have lawyers design TOS so that they never have to do that under any circumstances. If thier game blows up your computer, starts a fire, kills your pets and your children, they are not liable, and on top of that they don't owe you a refund.

You know what? Screw it, you're stupid. If you can't tell the difference between an exploit and an option that is built into the game setup UI, there's no hope for you.

I learned this method of scoring lots of points from the guy currently in first place. If you are too dense to figure out that's how he got his score, I guess I am done with you too.

THAT is what bothers me... its a bit two faced to tell me your going to fix it and recalculate the score, then turn around and delete it instead.

Brad said on Wednesday that they'd be removing those they saw to be blatantly cheesed, and recalcing the rest. As you've seen if you read the thread Peace Phoenix linked (and you said you have). You may not have seen it before the score was removed, but there's nothing two-faced about it (They just didn't make a huge announcement about it, and really there's no need to). They may not have tossed all the cheese scores yet, but even if they don't they'll be reduced to and insignificant amount in due order with the recalc.

thanks for response,

I was wondering, did you manage to send emails to the support and raise the concern and issues? maybe that will bring direct attention to the stardock in a speedy way. Concern about the joke, the true is, some of the game are actually rely on the online feature, so in deed there exist game do actually have to refund money for a similar occasion! However it is a releaf, for you actually talking about joke, after all we need more gamer with skill and tendency to see bugs and helping the game in a better place!

That's the link, thanks Peace Phoenix.

Nah, AW's game should be left up there until 1.1 is released or the scoring is fixed. AW could have just made serveral games and not have exploited as blantantly and keep all of the top rankings. Most likely no one would've known about the problem and Stardock wouldn't have fixed it until people kept making longer and longer games until someone browsing the metaverse finally figured it out.

Whistleblowers are very important and should not be treated in this way, which is why there is whistleblower protection. While metaverse exploiting is not a serious event, there is no way of knowing the extent to this 'end turn metaverse game ' exploit. Did the top five ranked games exploit? I dunno. Did any of the top 100 players exploit? I dunno. Did everyone exploit this a even a little bit? I dunno and neither do you.

So until the scoring is completely fixed, you shouldn't just punish one person because he admitted to exploiting and only did it once to get Stardocks attention.

It's just ridiculous to erase that game, I mean a lot of the dorks here thought that abusing the 2k debt bug was ok, how many of the metaverse games exploited that bug? As the guy above posted, there's so many ways to exploit the game, please......

in reality, I think, I will never encounter any situation which consider exploiting... since most of my game is short, and my longest game was a game which I play the first half, and leave it on the hand of a friend which just actually saw my first stage of gaming. I think, with my habit of short time gaming (I also have tendency of wanting to finish a game while in that moment of gaming that is why I only play small map with harder difficulties in hoping give me challenges), there is no way for me to get some huge pointer to raise my ranking!

It's just ridiculous to erase that game, I mean a lot of the dorks here thought that abusing the 2k debt bug was ok, how many of the metaverse games exploited that bug? As the guy above posted, there's so many ways to exploit the game, please......

well, I think actually several people notice that bug, however it is depend on the tendency of you using it... The true I often make used of temporary debt situation, and it is so happen, one of my crash factor in beta 2 was crashing my game when my money go lower than 0. And when I build the fifth starbase in the sector. I heard the fifth starbase issue is solve in the beta, and I wonder my system will still crash with that 0 treasury issue, afterall there is no one I heard of having that problem. (maybe I should stay at 1.0x a little longer and not install beta 3, until the next official update is release) just to prevent crashing to happen again!

[QUOTE]#5 by The Wicked Flea
Saturday, April 08, 2006 5:10 PM

His score resulted from using the exploit, and when you use and unfair exploit just for a higher score or advantage you don't deserve the points. I just found a serious exploit in race creation that gives huge bonuses to a race for free, I won't say how. And while I could have a monster advantage over a computer player, I refuse to exploit that. You don't deserve the score because you didn't actually win a game, just racked up points. And yes, kudos to you for uncovering the problem, but no brownie points for wanting your score still. [END QUOTE]




The exploit I believe you are reffering to has been mentioned already.Link

Abilites points in the negative but still can start a game.

-Wade