Frog's legs!

Any one of the higher-ups care to explain just why it is that sometimes, no matter how perfectly matched we are, some alien races absolutely WILL NOT ally with me- meaning they won't go above "friendly" relations with my race. I am talking saintly/saintly, with tons and tons of trade between us, both in the form of the diplomacy window and in the form of freighters, we've known each other and had good relations since forever... wtf?

I have given away to them techs that they themselves would not give to me in exchange for everything I own- planets, ships, starbases, techs, trade goods, money, influence points, even my friggin underwear. And that was signed by the hand of God.

Really, I would greatly appreciate some elaboration on the inner mechanics of diplomacy, since as it stands there appears to be a small but rapidly growing quasi-religion based around the subject, not unlike the one related to Mechassault (Mute your microphone, unplug it, spin around in your chair three times and sing a prayer while sacrificing a goat to Bhaal and no one will drop from the game! REALLY! It always works!) or any incarnation of Mortal Kombat (up up down down left right left right punch kick start makes Mileena take off her clothes! No really, I swear! Try it yourself!), or even the various Street Fighter games... anyone remember "Guile's handcuffs"? Oooh, ooh, and then theres the purported 'nude code' for DOAXVB.

*Ahem*, anyways, as the misinformation mounts, and fact is misstated as conjecture -and vice versa- I fear that eventually this board will erupt into a sort of Fundamentalist-like revolution, and their first order of business would be to get some frog skin for their drums (frog skin makes good drum material, its true) so they can start drum beating and doing whatever it is that Fundies do during their free time.

Oh and on a side note, this may or may not be related to the Starwars mod that I installed, but I don't think it would be, given what the mod alters:

For some reason, even when I clearly do not have the max number of possible trade routes established, the game will not let me establish any more- no message, no nothing, the freighters just won't make the routes. I assume that this is some feature of which I am completely ignorant, and if that is the case, please enlighten me ;D.
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I think it WAS the starwas mod, as I uninstalled it and haven't had the problem since. Hmph...

~SDC~
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Has anyone been able to ally when using the StarWars mod? Sephlock's experience may have just been a coincidence, but I'd like to have more data before concluding anything.
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Yes, I've been able to make alliances while using the Star Wars mod. But as he says, sometimes some races just take forever to convince (before and after installing the mod, so I don't believe it has anything to do with it). Incidentally, I don't get the feeling that gifts ever help bring a relationship above friendly. If you get a tech lead, either sell your techs to your friends, or keep them and get stronger. It seems more likely that they will get close if you are stronger than them or if you are fighting with their enemies. Most times that I got frustrated happened when the galaxy was peaceful and I was close to the same power as my hopeful friend.
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No no no, the thing that happened to me, and which went away after uninstalling the mod, was the trade routes thing. Sometimes I would have several trade routes 'open', and I wouldn't be able to take advantage of them.
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For the millionth time, the star wars mod does not alter anything that changes game mechanics. Any changes you noticed after uninstalling are just coincidence. I'd suggest finding a logical explanation rather than just blaming the gremlins for it.

If you're really having a problem with trade routes, zip up a save and I'm sure tech support and/or some other users would be willing to take a look at it.
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Ya thats why I said I doubted that was it- all I did was mention my observations. Touchy touchy ;D.
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I may be a bit cantankerous about this stuff lately, but "skeptical observations" is not how I read your messages.

I think it WAS the starwas mod, as I uninstalled it and haven't had the problem since. Hmph...
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Well, whatever. This is getting blown out of proportion. Good luck, and I hope you find your problem...
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Ya I agree, and I apologize. I don't get it anymore, so *shrug*. Out of sight, out of mind.

~SDC~
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Oh btw, I was doing some thinking and I have an alternate explaination now -albeit one only slightly more plausible-:

When I deleted the mod, I also deleted the installer -which I had kept, as per the suggestion of the installer itself-. This freed up a fair amount of space on my HD, which may or may not have been the source of the problem.

Again, I really don't know, but I just thought I'd toss that in to counterbalance my prior statement ;P.

~SDC~
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Okay mmilitary might also matters and so does how close you are to the power you are trying to ally with if they are seperated by another major power they view you as less useful as it would take longer to reach their planets also if your military is quite puny they will no get to close because they view you as a burden if a war were to start.

~SDC~
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Okay mmilitary might also matters and so does how close you are to the power you are trying to ally with if they are seperated by another major power they view you as less useful as it would take longer to reach their planets also if your military is quite puny they will no get to close because they view you as a burden if a war were to start.

~SDC~