Vote: Should have been able to choose Titans

I don't know, why? Its almost as important as the research trees, and each titan is clearly designed for THAT subfaction. I mean what would the Advent Rebels want with the Coronata?

Its the easiest thing in the world to do in a mod, but I think that it should stay in that realm.

That would be a terribly situational artifact, I wouldn't want a chance of finding that instead of data archive or kinetic intensifier.

I agree with Goa.  Each faction has the Titan that suits them best.  TEC Loyalists with Ragnarov would be way too strong in both offense and defense.

Although, I have wanted to either move titans to tier 3 research, or add 4 more levels, with the next 4 being towards a second Titan.  (Probably not gonna happen.  I'd just like to be able to build 1 for offense, and one for home defense.)

-Twi

no

This.

this thread should probably be locked now

I don't know what's worse, being a troll or being a troll wanna- be.....

Yeah, he could have at least put some effort into it.

-Twi

What if he was actually serious? Nah...........couldn't be.

-Lord Brony

From our perspective, you all are the trolls and we are the "normals"....

Oh god....We're THOSE people, Oddski!!!

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-Twi

Don't be offensive. Your suggestion is stupid (now im being offensive ) . The advent rebels designed and created the Eradica to serve them. The Loyalists designed and created the Coranata to serve them. Neither have the blue prints of the other nor would they want to because of their race design so your being a troll of sorts.

Be civil and understand the differentiation between the races or specifically ask for each race to visually have different ships if it bugs you to the point that you think you can pick whatever titan you want. 

Pretty much, the whole Rebel/Loyal thing boils down to 2 of the same faction, each having 6 researches that the other side doesn't(Including Titans).  So the question isn't just "I like this Titan, I'm gonna be Rebels", but also which of the other 5 suit your play style.  Honestly, I'd like to see a few more unique upgrades for each side eventually.  When it comes down to it, none of the titans are better than the others.  Take Ragnarov vs Ankylon for example.

Ragnarov is designed to blow the crap out of other titans.(At least, as far as I've heard, I've mostly played loyalists.)

Ankylon is designed to survive a crap ton of damage, and support/protect its fleet, which is where its real firepower comes in.

Both are capable of allowing you to completely destroy an enemy fleet with the same efficiency, they just do it in different ways based on what their faction is trying to do.

-Twi

Actually no in that regard.

The Ragnarov and Eradica titans just take the cake as the top tier of titans with the Ankylon maybe in the bottom weren't it not for the Cornata.

The Ankylon cannot destroy a fleet with the efficiency as the Ragnarov. It's just not going to happen from level 1 to 10.

The Ankylon isn't a fleet killer, it's a fleet saver.  The Group shield ability, and it's own survivability, are where its strength is.  It is desined to keep your fleet alive longer than the other player, to with the battle after exhausting the enemy fleet.  The AoE they get is just one way to speed this up, if you choose to put points there rather than its self repairing ability.  (Sorry, I haven't memorized all of the names yet.)

I'm not saying the Ragnarov is bad.  1 on 1, I'm pretty sure the Ragnarov would tear the Ankylon apart, even with its ability to repair itself.  I'm just saying each Titan has its own place in a fight, and if it does the job it was designed for, and the fleets are equally matched, it won't matter what Titan you are fightning against.  A lot of people are automatically assuming that just because the titan is the biggest ship, it is automatically going to be a massive source of damage in their fleet, which is the case for Ragnarov and Eradica.(Haven't touched Vasari Titans yet so I don't know about theirs).  Yes, they do a crap ton of damage, but comparing them all based solely on each ones ability to kill the enemy isn't necessarily fair, esspecially when they have a clearly defined role elsewhere.

-Twi

Group Shield sucks....it has a very small targetting range (4000 m), and then the buff that spawns off that target also has a very small range (4000m), so it's going to be very difficult to actually use that ability on your entire fleet...furthermore, at level 1 you can only have the ability up 1/3 of the time while at level 4 you only have the ability up 3/4 of the time...it also doesn't even affect the titan....it's a pretty awful ability at low levels, and by the time you'd have it at high levels, no one is using frigates for firepower anymore...

Even inspire and impair is pretty awful when you realize is does absolutely nothing to counter bomber spam (it doesn't affect SC) which is the source of firepower late game...

The titans are not even remotely comparable in their abilities...the ankylon is far below the other 5 titans....at low levels, the rebel titans are far better than their competition, and at high levels the Eradica and Vorastra are just absolutely ridiculous...

Before I'd even consider allowing titans to be choices, I'd at least want the "choices" to be comparable...currently, however, they are not....the Vasari titans are both pretty good (though VL obviously banks on getting to level 6), but for Advent and TEC the "choice" would basically just be ragnarov and eradica....

FYI, in general there are 9 unique technologies that each faction has not including the corvette and titan prototypes...there are some exceptions (IIRC AR have only 8 while VL have 11 if you include enslaved labor)...

The whole point of the thread was choices....

  ...  not to know which Titan your enemy is coming out with was part of the idea.

I still wish Rebellion was made as originally introduced, where you could decide mid-game, not before hand which faction to become. 

That would have been the ideal way for this. But the tech trees would be quite bloated with that way. Not an excuse but I guess that was the reasoning.

The problem was that people were hesitating ages before deciding for a Titan back then. So in many games, there was no Titan at all, pretty much ruining the new feature.

Introducing it back, would cause havoc on the balancing.....

a level 1 or level 2 Titan is no match for a late game fleet.

Imho, right now Titans "grow" nicely with the developing game. With a few exceptions (looking at you Ankylon) they are mostly fine balanced for what your enemy can field at this time.

While I'm not happy about how titan-centric this game is, I don't think delaying when titans come onto the field is the right approach...even now, fresh titans can be easily wiped by LF, LRF, and/or corvette spam, and delaying titans more would mean only eco players could afford to gamble with them....

Titans should be present through most of the game (otherwise what's the point?), so if you were to chose which titan to have then I'd argue it should be a choice made very early in the tech tree...

I'd rather have faction diversity then a choice between 2 titans personally.

please stop trolling

-Lord Brony