Alternate strategies?

It Sucks. It REALLY REALLY sucks. I hate it and have for a LONG time.

Stacking HPs is always the dullest thing in any game. Sadly, its always the most effective. I've always wanted to cut HP items by like 40% or more, but people rely on the extra HPs to much for this to go over well.

They truely ENJOY just standing there taking a beating with a retarded amount of HPs at level 5 and thinking they are just the hottest shit.

Try to give yourself as much as you can itemization wise while being forced into the HP item fucking bullshit.

I get the Orb of Defiance now. It gives you 500 health/armor, but it also gives you a cool 5 second invincibility and freezes you. Gives you faggity HPs, yes, but also a fun little effect to use.

And the wand of speed is ALWAYS nice.

Oh, just an FYI, if you win a fight when you have 5.5k health against someone with 3k, understand you aren't PURE LEETZ!

There is an easy way to fix this. They should only allow to buy only 1 item from each category( such as 1 mana helmet or 1 armor item, you got what i mean.) Then the health difference between DG would not be so different.

Would definantly shake things up!

Those people who depend 100% on HP items will fall on their face, just like those who depended on the HoL.

Then every single player would use:

Nimoth

Narmoth

Vlemish

Unbreakables

Orb of Defiance

Orb and Narmoth are both trinkets.

No that's retarded. That will fuck up item balance even more. It makes builds even more similar. Just please ffs, BUFF DPS ITEMS natural  regen and nerf armor. Obscenitor can tell you how to do it.

I think it was a joke.

Edit: The second line of what I said before was refering to nerfing HP items.

Yeah. I had a post arguing for this about 9 months ago. I know we're talking about a video game about demigods, but it is a bit ludicrous that one guy (or four legged beast) can be walking around wearing 3 suits of armor and 2 helmets. The silliest thing about this game is the universality of the item slots. If there were a dedicated slot for armor, helm, boots, gloves, and trinket, LIKE EVERY OTHER RPG-based game out there (I know it's not a true rpg, so don't start that thread), not only would it add a little bit of believeablilty to the game, it would make people actually have to think about what they were getting for their specific demi, rather than some combo of 5 of the standard 7 or so items. It would make many of the other demis competitve, and make the game much, much, MUCH more fun.

Sadly, no one listens to me.

QoT and every other mana dependent demigod who  can't get a hold of bots would literally be screwed mana wise.  As planor + vhels are the basic combo to keep a nice decent bit of mana coming in.

We would not be able to hold Teleports and locks at the same time seeing how they are both in the same categoy.

Listen to this person.

Wait....did anyone hear something just now?

I think only allowing 2 items of any equipable category would be a good thing. It kind of goes against the spirit of any game to be wearing four chest armors.

The real issue is that DG didn't spend enough time in development and was released too early. there was simply not enough playtesting, almost every issue in demigod stems from not having baked the game long enough.

HP stacking isn't so bad, BECAUSE the item slots are limited, if you stack HP that means you're sacrificing that slot, people forget this, the reason why demigods slots are so limited is that it forces you to make choices.  

And believe it or not, some characters DON'T hp stack I've seen some good players who only get something like blood of the fallen and will go early catapults and giants and surprise the other team with the right demigod/team comb it is possible.

It's when you combine HP stacking with sigil that things start to get bad, I really think sigils need to be nerfed, or healing potions need to be buffed, like those small healing potions that do something like 750 heal should be insta-heal, because sigil gives insta heal of a couple thousand HP, more then almost every potion you could buy, making potions a redundant item (bad game design).

then start playing mods, there are plenty around that affect hero balance and add new items 

I think my point was kind of missed.  I don't really care that you can have 4 suits of armor (although it is awkward) but when the amount of armor/hp you can gain drastically outranks the amount of damage you can gain from items then it removes any strategy when buying items.  Plain and simple: get the HP items because if you don't you will die everytime because you certainly wont be able to do enough damage to kill the other person before you die.

I just want some variation, rather than having to buy the same items with every demigod.

I don't understand why people want to lower health items, or even turn other items into anti-health, death dealing tank busters.... it makes the game suck. Just a bunch of guys who dance around and hug towers after getting a scraped elbow.

Even a health stack now doesn't save you from a 2 or 3 player focus fire.

What we need to do are turn the less desirable items into roles for supporting flag/lane control, or turning back health stacked tanks without killing them instantly if they expose themselves.

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I don't understand why people want to lower health items, or even turn other items into anti-health, death dealing tank busters.... it makes the game suck. Just a bunch of guys who dance around and hug towers after getting a scraped elbow."

Because kids these days play too many shooters and they want 5-second quickdraws not drawn-out engagements.

Lmfao. No.

The whole point of this post is pointing out the reason. ITEM FUCKING DIVERSITY!

Give Demigods more health per lvl and nerf HP items. Problem solved. 

It's ZERO fun to buy the exact same items on everyone. Ubreakables, Nimoth, Narmoth....im so fucking sick of it.

I love this game. But if I quit, its because of exactly that.

Why are you buying Narmoth's Ring? More citadel upgrades pleease.

Also, I wasn't aware that it was fun to you know. Buy imaginary non-persistant items in a game.

If you're so sick of it, start playing pure minion-builds. Trust me, you buy a LOT of different items than you do with any normal build. It isn't my fault that you play cookie-cutters.

Also, even if they were to re-work the game certain items would still be all you bought. They might be different character-to-character but you'd still have item builds. I mean, don't you get the same skills over and over... why aren't you fucking sick of that?

PS. Unbreakable Boots is worse than Scaled Helm + Banded + Scailmail and it costs the same.

Also. let's just give EVERY demigod 1000 hp more. That's balanced, right?

Who benefits more, the UB who can now eat mines for breakfast and just stack speed/damage items or the Regulus who still won't be able to hold a lane against the blitzreig Beast?

If you're OK with everything as is, great. 

I'm not, that's the change I'd like to see. You don't like it, on well.

Okey well I am going to unleash my secret DA strat,

build:

• crit strike 1
• demon speed 1
• spine attack 1
• crit 2
• swap
• speed 2
• crit 3
• speed 3
• spine 2
• crit 4
• spine 3
• spine 4
• stats

Items:

• Favor: Mards hammer
• Gaunlets of Brutality/change out for something sexier later.
• Banded
• Nimoths
• Unbreakables
• Slayers Warps
• Duelist Cuirass/natures rek/boots of speed
• Parisite Egg (30 more attack, 10% faster AA)

This build is designed to take of advantage of DA's rediculous chance of getting a critical strike. There is nothing better than Slayers wraps and 1.5x crit going off at the same time 3 times in a row. I think this can be considered an alternative to HP stacking because you are hefting some serious damage items in this build. Early game this build shines out best because when characters are floating around with 1.7-2.5k hp when your hitting 200-300 damage they get a little suprised. Spine is a nice finisher with a garenteed 400 damage so if you are starting to run into towers don't take the chance of your crit finishing them just slap them with spine and gtfo.

Hope this gives you some ideas as to what you can do with DA, I am sure a variation on this could be applied to an angelic fury reg.

Cow, not to say you're a bad player or anything but... BotS gives just 15 less damage (and 5% less attack speed oh no!), but in exchange 400 mana and the ability to not have to run around with helms (not that you have any either, but at least you can use Spine Attack a little more frequently )

I have also tried BotS with this build and it works fine, my preference even if you disagree with it is mards hammer.