I quite agree, it wasn't till they meet the jem'hadar till the show really pick up up till then was just petty problems, and more of a soap, and the klingons came back did the shows starts to build some tension

But I like the fact that Gene, didn't allow any personal relationship between the crew, stops things from being a soap

Yet, I would probably like to know more about the what 70 odd years between TOS and TNG, now that would be more intersting.

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Well, i guess we didn't see the same seasons; Dax/Worf, Odo/Kira, Bashir/Quark's bar girl, O'Brien/Family... it kept being a soap.

I like all star treks. If star trek is on chances are i will probably watch it. This being playoff season and all however  haven't watched one this week.

Making a hierarchical taxonomy of my favorite series would look like the following

TNG- Of course Picard is a bad ass mother@#$ and I like the interactions between Worf and his human counterparts.

TOS - Simply because it's what started it all. Everything in Star trek derives form it.

Voyager - I like voyager over DS9 becasue of the fact that they are on a ship actually moving and exploring (even though they're lost) and meeting new races.

DS9 - loved it again especially for Worf and how he falls in love with that girl (As you can see i dont watch the shows too often)

Enterprise - have watched ONE episode in my entire life, will never watch another one.

Now if i had to do the same with movies it would go something like this.

1st - Generations

2nd - The Undiscovered Country (as you can tell i like the klingons)

3rd - First Contact

4th - and Ironically the fourth movie - The voyage home

5 - The wrath of Khan

6 - Final Frontier

7 - Search for Spock

8 - TMP

9 - Nemesis

10 - Insurection

I loved Voyager... especially how after year 2 every season finale was related to the Borg in some form or fashion!

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Personally DS9 was my fave because of the darker war stuff that it goes into when it finally picks up. That and we actually get to see a Starbase, DS9 itself fight and they were some of the best special effects in star trek.

Voyager was a soap in space pretty much Imo and I never got into it really, and they turned the borg into wimps which I hated, the borg managed to wack 40 fed ships with one cube now all of a sudden a single Intrepid class ship, a light cruiser no less can kick their arses.

Now Enterprise had a few good stories like I thought it was cool how they explained and tied in the fact as to why early Klingons did not have the forehead ridges. But the whole time travel / xindi thing was a big heap of fail.

As for the films  Nemesis and first contact were my two fave films. Nemesis because we finally get to see what Enterprise-E can do though I wasn't struck on the whole clone thing and the killing off of a major character.

First contact I loved because it made the borg badass again and It was a part of Picards history that came back to haunt him as it were.

But the only thing I it is wrong with star trek, even though there are so many races, what language do they communicate in? English? I mean come on not all races will be able to speak English, and if you notice the names of the ships, most are either very american (Uss Rosevelt) or the ship class, won't the people of different races complain that they don't get ship names in their honor?

I really enjoyed this movie as well.  I remember when I went to the theatre to see the steven segal movie "Executive Decision".  They played the First Contact trailer, I almost shat myself when I saw that cube on a rampage again.  I think this movie came out before Voyager destroyed their character though.

I was never a fan of TOS, I still think the Wrath of Khan was the best movie.

I actually disliked Nemesis.  It was so implausible.  The reman`s are a slave race of the romulan`s.  How were they able to build the Scimitar?  They built this ship in secret did they not?  Where did they hide the massive infrastructure needed to build such a ship?  Where did they develop the advanced tech it used?  Somehow they perfected the tech needed to fire while cloaked?  I couldn`t get past these things.

Agreed 100% on both counts. nemesis was a terrible failure plot wise. Special effects wise it was pretty good and i like the romulans, too bad they get OWNED. What Im also wondering is why the hell they wouldn't send a Warbird after the scimitar. It is my understanding that warbirds are among the most powerful ships in all of star trek. instead they send two romulan bird of preys, small frigates!?!? come on.

Thats true though I mainly liked it because we got to see the Enterprise - E in action properly as it were. Previous movies with the ship only had token fights at best.

I also have to agree about the warbird thing. If its the Rommies home system shouldn't it be Crawling with their ships?

Warbirds are powerful but not massively. The Sovereign class trumps it hands down in basically every field from weapon firepower to shields and speed. The warbirds biggest advantage is cloaking and I think warbirds have very heavy hull armour. They took a lot more to destroy by the dominion than say a galaxy class did.

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Voyager was awesome...even to the point of being able to put up with Johnny football hero douche Paris. But as for the comic book store guy complaints regards realism, I really think you're doing it wrong. The reality boat pretty much sailed the minute Gene thought "what about a spaceship."

Star Trek has always tired to retain some semblence of reality.  It`s all imagined, Most of it had a gradual progression of tech in it.  That`s a main reason I liked Star Trek at all.  Nemesis threw that out the window to create a viable enemy.

I beg to differ.    In one DS9 episode a single Warbird destroys the entire station with a single plasma torpedo before it is even detected, punching through all the armored layers of hull and containment fields protecting the powercore, and they are only saved because O'Brien suddenly can warp through time and warns them.

In another episode 6 of them plus some utterly redundant Cardassian ships destroy 30%(!) of an entire planet's surface in just the initial volley, and according to the episode's script they would vaporize(!) the entire crust within the hour. That would mean that a single Warbird could vaporize the entire crust in a mere 6 hours, which puts the Soveregn to shame in terms of firepower.

In other words, the only reason the Enterprise miraculously survives all Romulan encounters is because otherwise the serie would end. I'm still waiting for a new serie called Star Trek Romulus: The Age of Conquest though, which follows a certain ambitious Romulan commander of a Warbird while he expands the Romulan Empire's borders, running into all kind of first contact situations and dealing with them the Romulan way.

This was one of the best parts of Enterprise IMO.  They actually had to try and communicate with aliens without a universal translator.  Enterprise had so much potential.  All they had to do was stick to the basics.  Explore the creation of these tech`s and first contact with the Star Trek races.  Instead, they decided to create new one`s.  This show had so much great content already created to work with.  I know they did use some of it.  First contact with the kligon`s was great.  I think they did the romulan`s too, Not sure.  They killed it by going so far off course witn the Sulabon and Xindi.

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I'd keep going through the list, but it's too damned fragmented and satellite isn't the best for browsing.  There are hundreds of less than anglo centric named ships without leaving series canon, and that's not even factoring in multicultural icons that have been Americanized by frequent use, like Pegasus or Hercules which are both Greek.  There's nothing American about Enterprise itself, it's an anglo-french word from the middle english period that perfectly fits the role of the ship.  Space exploration is most definitely a complicated, difficult and risky task.

A view that they're all named after US icons is pure perception with no basis.

Enterprise was originally a Royal navy ship of the Enterprize class frigate tyoe.frigate class ship in the British royal navy.

Enterprise herself was decommed and broken down in 1784 and served as a prison ship moving prisoners to the Tower of London until 1807 when she was broken up.

In 1806 another Enterprize class frigate the HMS Recourse  was renamed to Enterprise in 1806 to replace the original. She was decommed and broken up in 1816.

The first USS Enterprise was a sloop of war formerly called the George until her capture in a forts shipyard in 1775.

The first American Navy ship USS Enterprise was a schooner built at Baltimore shipyard in 1799.

I can't stand most of the crews on Voyager!  Enterprise is better imo.

Hold it, isn't Christopher Pike in the first Cage episode? End then, got re-filmed to integrate Kirk?

If you're talkin' animated series... maybe. But a Carey's novel isn't a genuine original TeeVee show.

Although I agree with your previous arguments I must beg to differ on this one.

In The Voyage Home Scotty and McCoy meet the chief engineer of which ship??? The American USS Enterprise Aircraft Carrier.

It's no mistake or coincidence that the Main ship of the series (an American series) is named after the most famous and recognizable american warship of all time.

if i had to decide on priority it would be in this form:

1. TNG

2. DS9

3. Voyager

4. Enterprise

5. TOS

to like TOS even a bit i was probably born 20 years too late