Suddenly just had a thought

Bear with me here.

from Sins Forums

Now i've been thinking about the three mini expansions coming out and how they they would develop the actual storyline of the game, and I had a little bit of a distressing thought. We've all been hearing about the 4th race in the game which is chasing the Vasari, and of course this has led to speculation that in an upcoming expansion said race would be available to be playable, a bit of a wish that many gamers and myself included would have been thrilled at doing.

However, something has come to mind, with the fact that each expansion will release certian new content that will be able to be played independantly or together, where does that leave our 4th race when it is finally unvieled? If this 4th race was playable we would easily be able to find out about it from any files included in each of the new expansions, such as what it's starbases would be, new audio files ect, since to play as the race it wouldent make sense to disallow the faction all the features we already payed for. nor would it make much sense on the develepor's part to hold back a playable race along with its diplomacy features, entrenchment package and such for whatever this campaign may become int he future, otherwise they would ahve to develop allt his data and send it out along with teh expansions as a seperate DL, and I can see where tehre would be quite a bit of hassle with that, multiple registrations and impulse errors and so on, eccsopecially if people dident buy the previous two mini expansions.

So my thought is that the Vasari race's nemesis by logic must be implemented in game as another AI controlled entity in a similar fashion to the pirates, where a player's interaction with it is done with either defending against it, running away from it, or what have you, but it will not in anyway be a playable race, which really is a shame. If you think about it, this really is the only way the big mystery will have to be uncovered, honostly i'd be lying if I said I wasent a bit dissapointed.

Or the devs could just pull something and completly keep the vasari's menace a complete secret and never even mention it throughout all three expansions, pretend like it never happened.

In which case, I fully advocate the pitchforks and flaming torches mob treatment.

 

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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top

It's pretty obvious the Vasari's nemesis is... the Shivans!

 

They're going to collapse a star with their Sathanas fleet.

Reply #2 from Sins Forums Top

I'll tell you what their real Nemesis is:  Jack Thompson and his army of misinformed parents and lawyers.

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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top

seeing as he got disbarred I think the Thompson riegn of terror is over. For real though I wasent tlaking so much about what the 4th race will be, but the way the gameplay will change when it comes, I think plenty of us where assuming it would be a new playable race, but logic would dictate that we would be seeing just another AI instead.

Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Delta_Assault, reply 1
It's pretty obvious the Vasari's nemesis is... the Shivans!
End of Delta_Assault's quote

I think that it is Gravemind. You know, because of the "I am a monument to all your sins" stuff.

Samurye. :ninja:

Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top

NO, NO, NO. You guys are all wrong, the enemy of the Vasari is Chuck Norris and his army of round housing kicking ships who kicked the Vasari off the radar. BUt I can see what Rumtiger is saying, almost all the RTS games I played have only three races because it's more balanced vs. a four race game.

Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top

Well, I remember that a couple months ago, before we knew about the min-expansions, they said that they were working on an expansion that would have a new race, as well as other stuff. It seems like I heard that this big expansion is going to come out after the mini ones are all out. If that's the case, I don't think that there will be an mention of the new race in the mini-expansions.

But please, no pitchforks or torches. Sins as it is is too awesome to want to attack the developers.

Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

what i heard was that the big expansion was split up into the three minis, and that there will be no compilation retail release after it all comes out.

I Suppose I sorta agree witht he whole mini thing, seeing as to set up the orgional big expansion like was orgionally going to be done would take until summer next year I believe, and frankly thats just a bit too long to wait, particularly for people like me who will likley not even be anywhere near the US by that time.

The only way that is possible to see a 4th player race is if it is released in entrenchment before the other minis, and that is not bloody likely.

Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top

They could add the starbase for the new race with the new race expansion and enable it only if you also have the entrenchment expansion installed.

Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top

thats just the thing, youd have to make the new race, along with all ship models, AI behavior, structures and such. and then create extra diplomacy features, starbases and mines, and whatever else int he third expansion, and then once you ahve all this stuff, you will ahve to just let it sit ont he back burner waiting for all three expansions to come out, and then once its unvieled, you would have to only allow certian little pieces of this now totally completed thing to its customers who bought only one or two of the expansions...you do realize its mroe then just entrenchment coming out right?

Of course ALL this if assuming the devs have managed to have more then enough employees and resources devoted to a project which a portion of thier own customer base will never see. Then this means they need a whole seperate team to create this new race as said above WHILE the expansions are being developed, if they dont do this it means they will need to create this player races sometime after at least the second expansion, including the added starbases and what have you. That means more time waiting, more time and resources taken away from patches and other development, that means producing a product that is exclusive to only a few people who bought the addons, which means that the devs lose time and money.

And of course it should also make you a bit angry, because it would have ment that while we where all waiting for a patch, or an expansion that seems to take ages to copmplete, the devs had moved resources over to instead work on the new player race starbases which some of us may never see.

This is of course, assuming this new race will still be a player race...the above of what I said therefore states that logically, it will not be.

Edit: Just to be clear,  I really do enjoy this game and support the company and I am going to be buying the expansions in as much time as I am allowed to do so as well as being in full support of the mini expansion idea, impluse is another matter but I digress, my posts are simply here to to put forward the argument and assumption regarding the 4th race that is so eagerly awaited in the future. I am not critisising Stardock or Ironclad Games simply because they have not really done anything regarding this to be critical. Only time well tell, in the meantime, regard these posts simply as discussion appitizers and the ravings of a man that enjoys more then a few late night whiskey and rum nightcaps.

Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Rumtiger, reply 7
what i heard was that the big expansion was split up into the three minis, and that there will be no compilation retail release after it all comes out.
End of Rumtiger's quote

Hmm.. That is odd. I heard that there will be a expansion pack that comes out after all the expansion are done that will put all of the mini-epansions together. If that is true then the new  race mayonly be avalible to those who buy this expanision OR they could creae a new race for each expnasion like so: in Entrenchment the new race has starbases. In expansion number two they do not have starbases and instead have advanced diplomacy.

 

Samurye. :ninja:

Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top

Still I think your making it out to be more complex than it really is dude. Diplomacy is hard coded as far as I am aware unlike the races. You can add a new race and it will use the code for diplomacy without any additional work needed whether its the diplomacy we have now or the one we will have in the second expansion. So they could very well wait till the end and then add the 4th race. The only thing they will need to worry about is balancing it with and without starbases and whatever they add in the 3rd.

 

In any case, its all just speculation since having a 4th race has never been confirmed officially.

 

 

Reply #12 from Sins Forums Top

Right, I know its speculation, I was just saying if they where making a 4th race, it wouldent make sense to divide resources to making new starbases and such for the new race and then just sitting on it for a long while. Or making a bunch of stuff and then instead of releasing the race itself, havign to divide aspects of it to people who either bought all, some or none of the expansions, It sounds like a bit of a hassle is all i'm saying.

Reply #13 from Sins Forums Top

It's pretty obvious the Vasari's nemesis is... the Shivans!
End of quote

Or "exotic" races like species 8472 [star trek] and "thirdspace alien" [babylon-5]:borg:

Because all three races nearly undefeatable.

Reply #14 from Sins Forums Top

What's with people and thread necro'ing on this forum?