PR-0927 I spent $1400 or about in total but I didn't by everything at the same time.

To whom ever else posted:

Also i spent $100 on the 8800GTS + a free game and yeah I am still going to have to disagree that this card is not awesome.

Yes, I play crisis on "high" that is you go to options->graphics->settings HIGH I then play the game at about 40FPS on the low end and 60FPS was the highest I saw. I'll run there benchmark and post it.

Ummm, oh yeah i was bragging and showing off a bit of epeen that was the point of the thread and i said as much when i posted. I was hoping to have a good conversation and I also knew there would be, as someone else put it, "haters" but i don't think that. Everyone has an opinion on this kind of thing lets just not make it personal I certainly have not.

Oh yeah Win32bit yeah I know i didn't have enough money to get a 64bit OS. Oh well I will live with it for now. I think window7 will proably be good I'll get that.

SLI - yeah ... but two 8800gts both for $100 or less I'm pretty sure thats a good deal. I have seen 3dmark06 scores and I liked them. I saw some people complaining they were not getting that much of a better score with x2 9800GTX's vs x2 8800GTS's. Now I'm not saying the cards were bad but probably there system setup but still it kind of made me smile a bit. 8800GTS320 does run really hot though!

I coincide that DDR3 mem is "not that much better" but hey i got a good Mainbord the 790i is great, I love the Q6600 and i have it set to 3GHz, currently looking in to getting more out of it.

775 socket, I'm sorry but its still good for a few more years there are a lot of good chips on this socket and they will only go down in price. Also I have never bought the latest thing out ever. I kind of broke that rule with the 790i but meh whatever heh.

Ok off to bench crisis. laterz. yeah guys no personal stuff common lets be civil and just be techheads together - disagree all you want but lets see some facts and good arguments (I haven't seen anything bad but it could be better!)

No, its not a good deal, SLI will give you a 20% difference in FPS tops. That $200 could have gone to a 8800GTS 512MB that would have created over a 200% boost in what you're currently getting.

Also 3DMark doesn't mean crap in REAL WORLD performance.

775 is officially dead when Nehalem is released, and will be a HUGE jump in performance that you'll wish you waited. The speed of technology rises exponentially, so while you will be good for a few years for general computing, you'll be left in the dust by game performance.

Yeah, I mean, all I know is the rumor. I find it funny that nVidia reacts so "paranoidly" to any ATI developments, given that it basically squashes ATI products at almost every level. But, I guess that's why they are best.

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Here are the crysis benchmarks "real world" stuff ya know? I think there benchmarks are a bit stingy on FPS specially on the "first run" dunno why? I get better in game.

Running CPU benchmark 1
Results will depend on current system settings
Press any key to continue . . .
Running...
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1500, Recorded Time: 44.62s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 123.33s, Average FPS: 12.16
Min FPS: 0.00 at frame 125, Max FPS: 28.46 at frame 361
Average Tri/Sec: 12441540, Tri/Frame: 1022938
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 92.29s, Average FPS: 16.25
Min FPS: 0.00 at frame 125, Max FPS: 28.87 at frame 102
Average Tri/Sec: 16678893, Tri/Frame: 1026149
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 86.19s, Average FPS: 17.40
Min FPS: 0.00 at frame 125, Max FPS: 28.87 at frame 102
Average Tri/Sec: 17843376, Tri/Frame: 1025255
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1500, Recorded Time: 44.62s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 99.63s, Average FPS: 15.06
Min FPS: 0.00 at frame 126, Max FPS: 27.72 at frame 373
Average Tri/Sec: 15407313, Tri/Frame: 1023378
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 86.10s, Average FPS: 17.42
Min FPS: 0.00 at frame 126, Max FPS: 31.80 at frame 115
Average Tri/Sec: 17898016, Tri/Frame: 1027319
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 79.17s, Average FPS: 18.95
Min FPS: 0.00 at frame 126, Max FPS: 31.80 at frame 115
Average Tri/Sec: 19477478, Tri/Frame: 1028038
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1500, Recorded Time: 44.62s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 47.14s, Average FPS: 31.82
Min FPS: 4.93 at frame 201, Max FPS: 46.57 at frame 116
Average Tri/Sec: 32761894, Tri/Frame: 1029596
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 43.05s, Average FPS: 34.84
Min FPS: 4.93 at frame 201, Max FPS: 46.81 at frame 93
Average Tri/Sec: 36093788, Tri/Frame: 1035922
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.69
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 43.03s, Average FPS: 34.86
Min FPS: 4.93 at frame 201, Max FPS: 46.82 at frame 93
Average Tri/Sec: 36025496, Tri/Frame: 1033484
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1500, Recorded Time: 44.62s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 46.15s, Average FPS: 32.50
Min FPS: 25.32 at frame 868, Max FPS: 43.93 at frame 126
Average Tri/Sec: 33529850, Tri/Frame: 1031627
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 42.98s, Average FPS: 34.90
Min FPS: 24.02 at frame 1080, Max FPS: 47.34 at frame 109
Average Tri/Sec: 36136760, Tri/Frame: 1035543
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.69
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 43.23s, Average FPS: 34.69
Min FPS: 24.02 at frame 1080, Max FPS: 47.34 at frame 109
Average Tri/Sec: 35889692, Tri/Frame: 1034441
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
!TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
Play Time: 43.28s, Average FPS: 34.66
Min FPS: 22.27 at frame 1092, Max FPS: 47.34 at frame 109
Average Tri/Sec: 35873176, Tri/Frame: 1034969
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.70
TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
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Press any key to continue . . .

Running GPU benchmark 1
Results will depend on current system settings
Press any key to continue . . .
Running...
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 134.07s, Average FPS: 14.92
Min FPS: 0.00 at frame 137, Max FPS: 30.91 at frame 1636
Average Tri/Sec: 15144136, Tri/Frame: 1015213
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.90
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 82.38s, Average FPS: 24.28
Min FPS: 0.00 at frame 137, Max FPS: 38.81 at frame 86
Average Tri/Sec: 24918488, Tri/Frame: 1026394
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 82.81s, Average FPS: 24.15
Min FPS: 0.00 at frame 137, Max FPS: 38.81 at frame 86
Average Tri/Sec: 24800366, Tri/Frame: 1026805
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 56.65s, Average FPS: 35.30
Min FPS: 20.63 at frame 143, Max FPS: 45.22 at frame 999
Average Tri/Sec: 36566128, Tri/Frame: 1035767
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 56.66s, Average FPS: 35.30
Min FPS: 18.78 at frame 144, Max FPS: 45.29 at frame 1008
Average Tri/Sec: 36551988, Tri/Frame: 1035509
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.89
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 53.57s, Average FPS: 37.33
Min FPS: 18.78 at frame 144, Max FPS: 47.68 at frame 92
Average Tri/Sec: 39097488, Tri/Frame: 1047211
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.88
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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 56.69s, Average FPS: 35.28
Min FPS: 18.73 at frame 144, Max FPS: 45.44 at frame 1001
Average Tri/Sec: 36546688, Tri/Frame: 1035876
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.88
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 53.59s, Average FPS: 37.32
Min FPS: 18.73 at frame 144, Max FPS: 47.70 at frame 87
Average Tri/Sec: 39074972, Tri/Frame: 1046947
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.88
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 53.61s, Average FPS: 37.31
Min FPS: 18.73 at frame 144, Max FPS: 47.70 at frame 87
Average Tri/Sec: 39082208, Tri/Frame: 1047542
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.88
!TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
Play Time: 53.61s, Average FPS: 37.30
Min FPS: 18.73 at frame 144, Max FPS: 47.70 at frame 87
Average Tri/Sec: 39086904, Tri/Frame: 1047775
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.87
TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
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Press any key to continue . . .

Sorry Naoza, but you're incorrect. A 100% increase in performance is a doubling of performance, or a 2.0 multiplier, right? You are right if you say that performance has increased to 170%, but saying that it has increased by 170% is saying that it is performing at 270%.

Performance = original performance + performance increase

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Can we please call it Crysis, not Crisis, LOL. Sorry, that was bothering me.



For $1400 that's not bad at all - except the SLI choice. I agree with Naoza in what he just said about SLI - it really isn't worth the money.

Oh, you said something about 64-bit OS? I think I might have read somewhere that you can upgrade (trade-in) your 32-bit for a 64-bit OS for like around $10 (using your serial on the Windows CD). I might be wrong, but no harm looking into it if you're interested.

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Edix, TimeDemo's are not REAL WORLD performance. Know what real world is? Download FRAPS, record the frames from a particular level doing your thing. It'll give you a list of your FPS. THAT is real world performance.

Meh, semantics. Just add 'to' to all my posts and its perfectly fine.

Yeah I'm pretty sure i know what the real world is.

FRAPS is what I was using in game - as i said the time-demo was a bit stingy - which means its better in game by your own admission?.

Yeah, my bad Crysis.

Checking in to 64bit OS for $10 that sounds cool.

Nope that was a one time deal for people who bought there computer/OS (a dell for instance) as a package and was back in 2005. I'm just going to wait for windows7.

Not to brag, but for about $1400 I just built a system with the following specs:

Asus X38 P5E (I was going to go with a higher end MB and use DDR3 RAM, but the higher latency actually gets between slightly lower performance to slightly higher. Most things actually run better on high speed low latency DDR2 RAM)
4GB of DDR2 800 RAM (latency of 4)
Raptor 150GB 10,000RPM HDD
nVidia 9800GTX 512MB (single card performance out of this out performs almost anything, even many SLi configurations)
Intel E3110 Xeon 3.0GHZ Dual Core (Quad core isen't cost effective yet (and is mostly under-utilized), and this processor is incredible for the price. It can pretty easily be OCed to nearly 4 on air)
Windows Vista Ultimate x64 (64-bit Vista is another animal all together from 32-bit, it's quite obvious where Microsoft's attention was)
Asus 22" LCD (Asus is new to the monitor scene, but they are coming in with a bang)

As for waiting for the next system, why bother? Those of us that buy high end parts usually upgrade fairly often. I'll be looking for another system in about a year, so that'll just give time for prices to drop, things to be ironed out, and if the processor is a as good as it sounds, for it to be in stock again. Took me nearly three months to find that Xeon processor available.

Uh go back to grade school. A .7 multiple would turn 20fps into 14fps. A .7 multiple will decrease the number because the value multiplied is less than 1. A 170% increase would be 54, and a 70% increase would be to 34.

CPU: Intel Q6600 GO @ 2.4ghz - $248.99
Motherboard: Intel P35 DS3L - $89.99
RAM: 2x2GB OCZ Platinum DDR2-800 - $102.99 (-$40 Rebate)
Graphics: XFX GeForce 8800 GTS 650MHz / 512MB / 1.94MHz DDR3 - $269.99 (-$30 Rebate)
Sound: Creative X-Fi Xtreme Gamer - Already owned
Hard Drive: SeaGate Barracuda 7200 500GB - $97.99
Power Supply: Corsair 650W - $109.98 (-$20 Rebate)
CD/DVD: Samsung SATA DVD-RW - $25.98
OS: Microsoft Vista 64Bit OEM - $105.98



I bought the above 3 weeks ago.. and considering the ancient machine I upgraded from I have not looked back with even an ounce of regret. At the end of the day it's almost impossible to get the absolute best deal on PC parts.. the prices vary so often.

I do think it's fun to compare systems and prices though.. if only to give a sense of accomplishment.. but at the end of the day if your system works for you then what does it matter? I have no plans to upgrade my PC for a couple of years now.

Again, a 100% boost. Or 2 times = 200%.

And i just noticed it seems someone else did the work to prove you wrong already. well anyway here's to get it through your thick head.

I don't. SLI may be inefficient (you're not getting the full performance benefit you would with another card in optimal situation), somewhere around 30%, but it's much better than blowing $350+ on a 9800GTX with little to no performance benefit over a 8800GT/GTS. Two 9600GTs in SLI will blow that away, and I saw them on NewEgg for $130 each the other day.

If you're going high-end, I don't see a problem with SLI, esp. with 9600GTs or 8800GTs. Otherwise, it's not worth buying that sort of motherboard, stick to P35.

Keeping up with top of the line does tend to require very frequent upgrades. But I do agree... If you have the money to buy a new system? Do it. Don't wait for whats coming later in the year, by then the money will be gone, or ram prices will have fluxuated, or any other number of things. So what? A new architecture? Big deal. Thats what next years upgrade is for.

That being said, a lot of us can hardly keep track of what is top of the line today, let alone what will be top of the line 6 months from now. I know what I have. I know how it runs. Frankly, I am quite pleased with it. But, of course, there is always room for improvement.

Oh, and the Q6600 is an awesome chip. Even if mine is a stingy bastard that won't OC beyond 2.8.

"Hey guys! Let's spend $1000 now on something that will be outdated in less than half a year, then spend another $600 on upgrades as soon as the new stuff comes out, instead of spending $1200 on something that I can just pop a new CPU in a few years later! Gee, I sure love completely reinstalling my motherboard and every single peripheral unnecessarily!"

Hey, it's fun to build machines. And why do we make money but to spend it? I usually just build a new one, rather than upgrade, but it depends on how much of a change has happened in a year.



Also, to everyone saying two 9600GTs are better than a single 9800GTX need to do their homework, aside from very close pricing (Especially when I bought mine for $270), the 9600GT has only 64 steam processors on it, the 9800GTX has 128, the difference in bandwidth is enormous, and in some cases your talking DDR2 vs GDDR3.

If you want to say, bargin bin performance that can almost rival the 9800GTX for like $50 cheaper, then sure.

...right, which is theoretical bandwidth. In benchmarks, the 9600 benches extremely similar to the 8800. And dual 8800s vs a 9800GX2..pretty close, esp when overclocked.

You can get a 9800GTX for $300 or less, which is superior to two 9600GT's in SLI. Also note other benefits of running a single card: less heat and power consumption.

My math is correct, my grammar is incorrect, as I said before.

2 8800GTs should be close to a 9800GX2, the difference is that in one card you can get that performance. Now, no, I wouldn't pay that much for the card, but it's the same with the elite level Intel chips, you pay more for that extra level of performance/bragging.

But two 9600s will run you about 230 dollars, for a slight increase in cost, you get a noticeable increase in performance. I hate to use 3Dmark as an example, but I was looking around for some benchmarks. A 9600 gets about 10K with a high end system, a 9800GTX with same system gets nearly 16k. SLi offers about a 30% improvement. Which gets the 9600 to 13k, assuming pretty awesome improvement, you get to about 14-15k. Which still is not the same level as the GTX. Also, if down the road I want to go SLi, adding another GTX will not only be cheaper, but yield an incredible jump in performance.

Two 8800GTs are not close to a 9800GX2, but even close. Two 8800GTS 512MB were closer to matching the performance, however with improved drivers available now, the 9800GX2 cannot be touched anything short of a 8800GTX, Ultra or 9800GTX in SLI.

Of course you'll see a small performance boost, however it wouldn't be as noticeable as using a single 8800GTS 512MB. SLI is not an upgrade path, you're better off selling your old card and cashing in for a newer, better one.

yeah brag man thats pretty good i think nice one

Also i was talking to someone at work and they said i could upgrade my evga 8800GTS at the evga site. He told me they swap out your card and give you credit to your upgrade so im proably going to check that out. Going to look in to geting 8800GT 512.