Reasonably priced Video Card to use with this game

Hello,

I recently downloaded Croc411's Terran Naval Ship pack, and they're really causing the game to lag, even with textures turned off. I also notice that when there are a lot of ships on the map and I'm not in tactical mode this happens. It takes forever to ships to show up in battles too.

I'm currently running on 750MB RAM, 32MB video card, and I know that 32 is abysmally low for any sort of gaming, so I'm looking to upgrade.

However, I don't have hundreds of dollars to drop on a video card.

I'm looking for a decent 256MB card in the $50-100 range. Unfortunately, I'm not tech savvy at all, so that's why I'm here asking for what my best options are. Additionally, is there anyway I might be able to improve this lagging without buying a new video card?

Also, the ships in the pack are massive physically, is there any way I can scale the size back to where they're about the same size as the ships the comps field without going in and decreasing the size of every single component? (I'm talking about the size they appear in game, not the size of the file.)

Thanks for any help
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What are your system's full specs? And does your system have an AGP slot, or only PCI (entirely possible if you have an older system, particularly if it's an OEM machine)? 
Reply #2 Top
I hate to sound like an idiot, but how would I tell whether it's PCI or AGP?

As far as full specs go, it's a Dell Dimension 2400, 2.4 Ghz Celeron CPU, (not good for gaming, I know), 750 MB Ram, 32MB Video Card. It's relatively new, bought it about a year ago. I know I'm kind of just parroting back what I wrote earlier, what all do you need to know to get a better idea?

thanks
Reply #3 Top
I had the same PC. You have pci slots. You can always get your system specs from the Dell site based on entering your service tag # from the sticker on your computer. It would also outline this in your docs you got with the pc. Dell has them in pdf if you misplaced them.

Now, the fun part. If you shop around you can get a pci video card that will work. I had a geforce FX5200 that was < $100 a year ago. I was running GC2 with 1GB of ram and the fx5200 (with 256MB on it - it was made by BFG) without issue. I since upgraded to a new pc before I tried Dark Avatar so I cannot attest to whether it would work.

If you can afford it, I would recommend you boost the ram also. I moved mine from 512 MB to 1 gigabyte before I bought the new pc and it made a big difference.
Reply #4 Top
Dimension 2400s don't have any AGP slots at all. In this case your best options are a Radeon 9250 or a GeForce FX 5500, both of which can be found for under $70.

Unfortuantely, neither one of them is a spectacular card by any measure. The Radeon 9250 is only DirectX 8 complaint, so it may still be missing some graphical features in-game. The GeForceFX should be able to do everything the game needs, but due to the way it is designed it will likely take a performance hit in doing so as compared to the Radeon. Your performance is likely to remain poor in either case as compared to the options you'd have in the same price range if you could use an AGP card.

Personally, if you intend on playing any other games, I'd advise you to just save up for an entirely new machine.
Reply #5 Top
Here is a modern PCI video card. A PCI version of the radeon x1300.

WWW Link

Still though don't expect any miracles, this is still a relativly slow graphics card and you would probably just be better off saving your money for a whole new computer!
Reply #6 Top
Here is a modern PCI video card. A PCI version of the radeon x1300.


From that article:

That said, it is still nearly useless when it comes to gaming, so why not go with an older and much cheaper PCI graphics card?...If you must have a PCI graphics card I would recommend something cheaper, such as a Radeon 9250, which currently retails for just $50.
Reply #7 Top
The Infamous Reno,

I run an Intel Celeron 2.4 Ghz processor, 1024 mb RAM, 160 gig 7200 rpm hard drive, and a PCI GeForce FX 5500 (256mb DDR) graphics card from 3D Fuzion. Kryo mentioned the GeForce FX 5500 above. I also keep my virtual memory cranked up. I keep most of the graphics set to fairly high quality with most of the textures active. Currently, I'm playing the unmodded new DA release on a gigantic map with 9 opponents, common planets, and the AI cranked up to the highest setting. The slowdown is not to bad at all, and is actually less than I experienced running DL unmodded on the highest settings.

The card was $60 at Comp USA amonth ago. It installed very easy, but I actually followed the instructions this time.

Most of my time spent with DL was spent on the same system with an antiquitated GeForce4 MX 4000 (128 mb) card. It is less than $30, but DON'T get this card or anything equivelent. It was barely functional and ran the game very slowly with graphics turned all the way down. It wasn't even Direct X 9 compliant, and I didn't know what I had been missing graphics-wise until I installed the 5500 mentioned above.

My 2 cents: If you can't afford to buy a new system, go with the 5500 mentioned above unless someone else has a better idea. And I'm sure someone does.
Reply #8 Top
Alright, thanks for the great advice everyone. I really just want to be able to run the game without any serious lag, I'm not terribly concerned with having top of the line graphics. (This is pretty much my philosophy will all the games I play.)

So, since a new computer is definitely out of the question for the time being, from the sound of it, 5500 should serve me well?

Also, is there a way to physically reduce the size of the ships as a whole short of going in and reducing the magnification on each component?
Reply #9 Top
The VisionTek that CoReD mentioned looks like a great buy. At ~40 FPS, that's still pretty good for most gaming, though you might experience some lag in a first person shooter game. I think 2 GB Ram is probably more important for a strategy game like CIV4 / GALCIV2 to reduce lag. I have that plus a Radeon 9200 equivalent (an IGP) (definitely not a high end card).

The catch is that the system in this Dell system so pedestrian that you will need to sink extra cash (I guess about $400 on about 2GB ram, and probably a 3.0GHZ Prescott) and plan to hold onto to it for a few years instead of moving up to the dual-core system / socket 775 CPUs that have made the socket 478 extinct in the market. Else more than $50 is a waste if you'll just buy a LGA 775 system later (even the ram can't be recycled now).

If you're not planning on doing that here's some 256MB's:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=pci+video&x=0&y=0

N.B. If Dell charged you more than $700 for that system, they pretty much ripped you off. I recommend building your own through NewEgg, having done that myself.
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Also, is there a way to physically reduce the size of the ships as a whole short of going in and reducing the magnification on each component?


The polygon count is what would have to be reduced, not the scaling. That can only be done in a 3D modeling program, and it takes quite a bit of skill and time.

About the only thing you can do is stay away from adding jewelry items to the base hulls so the poly count stays as low as possible.
Reply #11 Top
I've an old Athlon2400 w/1Gb RAM, and I upgraded some months ago to an already used GF6600GT. It was cheap (70 euro or so) at the time and should be even less now, and I've no prob at all with my games - GC2, but also Civ4 , and even Theater of War (but not full detail!).
I recommend this one !
Reply #12 Top
I have an emachines T4160, and I'm not sure what my video card is, but the game runs slowly, but it seems to work a little better if the sound is off, but I'm thinking about upgrading, and I need a video card to run well with the game. Any suggestions, I need something within The Infamous Reno's range. Thanks! I also might get a new computer.
Reply #13 Top
I have an emachines T4160, and I'm not sure what my video card is, but the game runs slowly


A quick search on that model says that it comes with a video card (Riva TNT) that can't even run the game (at all). Couldn't find any details about what sort of slots it has either, but judging from what stats I could find, It'd be simpler and better to just go the new machine route.
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Oh, but we got a Nvidia video card (not sure which model) but it messed up the other games.
Reply #15 Top
Man that's rough trying to run the game on equipment like that. I'm running the latest $300 video card and the game isn't always smooth, but I think that's more my cheapo CPU than anything else. Most games just need a good video card, but I think GC2 needs a good CPU as well. Next build, I'm buying a good video card *and* a good CPU.
Reply #17 Top
Unfortunately, GC2 can be pretty demanding as far as equipment goes. Dread Lords is more forgiving, but you need a good machine for Dark Avatar. There is hope for slower machines, but with limitations. You'll probably have to turn off some graphics options and play on smaller maps. If you want to play the game maxed-out, you definitely need some horsepower. I rebuilt my desktop machine a couple months ago with pretty good parts, but I did skimp on the CPU. The game bogs pretty bad when crunching turns later into a maxed-out Dark Avatar game. Though it's fine on Dread Lords. I could upgrade the CPU now, but I think I'll wait till my next build and try an Intel platform instead of AMD. I won't skimp on the CPU again.

Reply #19 Top
I have a Dell Inspiron Laptop with the following specs:

Processor: Intel Pentium M 1.7GHz
Video: Ati Mobility X300, 128MB
Ram: 1GB DDR 2 (512MB + 512MB)

As you can see I have a low end gaming computer, and still I can play the game with NO-LAG at all, with the best video settings, and even anti-aliaising at 6x.

This game's video engine, and AI engine is pretty well done and optimized for low end computers like mine without sacrificing quality in the sake of performance.
Reply #20 Top
A new computer seems like the way to go, but it doesn't have to be expensive. An affordible PC with a decent video card can run you well under $1000. Since you're not trying to play Crysis, you don't need one of those silly "gaming" PCs.
Reply #21 Top
Take a look at the various types of slots on your mainboard. Answers.com has a good pictorial.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/CDE/PCXSLOTS.GIF

I'm just going to assume that you have a PCI Express x16 slot for your video card.
You must also be mindful of how much power your new card uses as well. Dell skimps on Power supplies.

Also look for cards that use Stream Processors instead of PixelPipelines.

I know... it's a pain. But check this card out if you just want to see what I've picked out for you!

XFX PVT84JUSD4 GeForce 8600 GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
Reply #22 Top
Erm, this thread is ancient. Assumably the OP and the guy who revived it six months ago have already bought their new machines long ago :p
Reply #23 Top
If you have a PCI slot as it appears you have, you have a better option than an NVIDIA Fx5500.
I upgraded from the NVIDIA Fx5500 to an Fx6200 OC from BFG.
It uses a 250watt minimum power supply and I have not had any problems with it.
It is DirectX 9.0c compliant.
It cost me about $75 US including shipping within the US.
You will get a very noticable improvement even over the Fx5500 - I sure did.
I have an HP desktop that is at least 2 years old, and this was the best upgrade that I could find.
The power supply on older HP desktops is proprietary, so it can't be upgraded with ease, so I was stuck.
I'm very impressed with the Fx6200 OC performamce - take a look at BFG's site and see.

Malcolm.