Poltical Realism Mod

A new mod in development, by a guy who'd love to say hi to u alllll

Hi there guys, well im a bit of a noob for this game, first cudos to the developers for making a cracking strategy game, and greetings to all u vets of this community.

So, I am basically making a mod that does not change the core gameplay but instead alters the representation of political parties, of the choice events, the United Planet proposals, and other elements, to add a sense of 21st century politics, cynicism, and so called 'realism'

My idea, is that by the end of it, the game will be a more harrowing experience of political and social responsibility, one that will very 'serious' in nature. I find this element intriguing, especially for would be after action reports etc, and so anyway, I have made a start, to the political parties. (I will be altering the governments.)

My idea is not to make parties that represent every kind of possible ideology... but simply parties that would reflect in my opinion realistic political factions, (from true true, a primarily human perspective.)

In the C:\Program Files (x86)\Stardock\TotalGaming\GalCiv2\Data\English folder, just replace the PoliticalParties.xml with the one available from the link below (please make a backup remember!)

http://www.newagefilm.co.uk/PoliticalParties.xml

(if it just opens the page in html when you load this link, just save the file onto the game directory listed above.)

Feel free to make suggestions and to discuss, tho bear in mind, at the mo im really not wanting to go changing all the benefits here and there (so ive changed the parties cosmetically in their names and descriptions.)

Changes will only take effect in a new game.

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Reply #1 Top
"Economic Hegemon" and "huge subsidies" are mutually exclusive concepts in that subsidies are hardly condusive to creating true, competetive industry. This is not Adam Smith's capitalism, which is how you create an economic hegemon, read yourself some wealth of nations and stop listening to the splatering of bull feces falling out of liberal mouths!
Reply #2 Top
WTF_Chuck, what the hell are you on about cowboy lol!

Right joking aside (and i presume you are) then admittedly the description for the populist party, (which in essence is a corporate state emphasising globalised economies etc could be clearer. This is probably the only party that is not in fact a party, but a 'state' of government that arises when business is pulling the strings so much that it can replace traditional parties. Even current Italian politics provides a very very slight evidence of this.

But some of your crap like, Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations... give me a break, the only time you've probably read about him was from a descriptor in a civ game lol

As for the liberal er mouths... well that comment only has relevance to the ideological zombies of the left and right... particularly in the USA, who obsess over this kind of bs... The party descriptions i think are fairly balanced, but lets hear more comments from you!!!

Soon i will be posting the Realism Mod United Planet events, and a slightly revised party text!
Reply #3 Top
Oh and before i forget, state subsidies do often lead to economic hedgemony, be it regionally, nationally and in a galactic what if situation, it is hypothetically beilevable! After all the largest industries in the world do have some element of state assistance or subsidy, (which can be with a little imagination... be taken in a political, or legal or economic context of subsidy or assistance...) lol well thats enough i reckon haha
Reply #4 Top
But some of your crap like, Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations... give me a break, the only time you've probably read about him was from a descriptor in a civ game lol



Actually I own a copy of wealth of nations, and I have read quite a chunk. I'll spot the ISBN so you can look it up on amazon . 0-679-78336-9

Subsidies are a by product of and not necessary to the creation of large econmies. Sometimes they protect elements of economies that could leave an economy vulnerable (such as food creation) but that is only because those portions are no longer competetive but allowing them to dry up is risky (what if we could not aquire food elsewhere or it was very high priced? economic collapse). They are safe guards sometimes and sometimes in a democracy they are simply waste. Some congressman protecting industries that should be allowed to die off etc.

Sections on risk and deterrance might lead one to the conclusion that removing risk (subsidizing) would have positive effects, but history shows it usually doesn't. That is why I attacked subsidies. They have little to do with the creation of econmic hegemons, but they will admittedly aid in stabalization, or occasionally (rarely) in new growth ventures. That is tranferring the risk to the government though which I LOATHE the idea of. Most major companies and industries do not depend on subsidies much at all. Now portions of some would, but that doesn't make them necessary (any longer at least) such as telephone service. The government subsidizes a massive infrastructure for telephone service (or should we say, did). That is the new growth aspect. There are others and joint ventures between massive communications companies and our government go on today. One part gets paid for by the government one part by sprint, or whoever. Those are necessary but subsidizing industries that no longer remain competetive is where most subsidy dollars go, and that is not good for growth at all. Anyways I did like your mod idea I just thought I would pick on you. Please don't take it personally.
Reply #5 Top
And this long-winded posted was prompted by what... A one sentence long description of a political party in a sci-fi computer game? I doubt this is the place to show off your economical knowledge. It's just a guy's personal mod to a game, not liberal propaganda that you need to squash.
Reply #6 Top
And this long-winded posted was prompted by what... A one sentence long description of a political party in a sci-fi computer game? I doubt this is the place to show off your economical knowledge. It's just a guy's personal mod to a game, not liberal propaganda that you need to squash.


If fictional settings are not a valid place to discuss politics, I don't know what are. Especially sci-fi. The whole point of sci-fi is to ask and answer questions just like that, about society, economics, and politics.

That aside, I think he's got the right idea if the government is tied in closely with big business, but entirely the wrong one if corporations have actually supplanted the government. And whether a business will push for war or not is somewhat debatable - I think it would be wiser to have economic and/or influence bonuses for that. Just my two billion credits.
Reply #7 Top
*ears perk up* You got my interests. Not sure I use it long term but will definitely check it out and see for myself.
Reply #8 Top
See? My giberish is keeping your mod at the top of the list and increasing interest!
Reply #9 Top
Question: do political parties have any relevance for the AI, or do they just affect the human player? I ask because I am currently playing a custom insectoid/arachnoid race, and it would be neat to make a set of political parties that reflect that reality. If they ever evolve beyond the Hive Mind (Imperial government).