Where to purchase from?

I have decided to buy this game  :) .

In the UK at least it has just become available retail, Amazon would suit me fine (I presume I get a nice DVD).  It is already on Steam, but I have always managed to keep clear of Steam, I don't want any install manager etc.  I'm much happier doing my own installing, downloading and applying patches myself, and so on.

  • If I buy from Amazon instead of Steam, will I get just the same game?  Will I be able to get patches in future?  (Or even, will it just make me go install via the Steam or Stardock client?)
  • I have seen there is extra content like Maps DLC, which (I presume) won't come with the retail.  If I wanted to buy that, would I be able to do it/how?

Thanks.

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Reply #1 Top

You are forced to use Steam with LH. (no manual updates sorry ;) )

It could still be possible to get the FE original game Steam-free from Stardock still, but don't hold me on that. Either way Steam isn't *that* bad, and LH is the far superior game to FE, and you will get at least two DLC's soon for LH. 

 

Reply #2 Top

OK!  So it seems I might as well just buy from Steam in the first place, if I'm going to have to lump it or like it!  (That'll be fun downloading --- where I live in England, we don't yet have electricity, and broadband is 2MB max, with every chance of occasional disconnect during large downloads...)

Thank you for saying Steam won't be my worst nightmare.  Which of the following will apply, please:

  • Steam client will reformat my hard disk?
  • Steam client will want to run on every start-up, generally getting in the way?
  • Steam client will decide better than me where I want to install my games on my hard drive?
  • Steam client will mean I can't install the game on my laptop as well as desktop?
  • I believe I can put it in "off-line" mode, so every time I run game I don't have to be connected to the Internet (often internittently down here due to roaming wolves)?

Thanks,:)

Reply #3 Top

the second, third,fourth(unless you jump through the authorization hoops in the right sequence) and fifth(but it does demand to access the internet atleast monthly) apply

harpo

 

Reply #4 Top

Heh? I had no issues installing FE:LH on my laptop as well as my desktop.

But yes, Steam/Steamapps/Common will be your path to the game annoyingly enough. That's why it isn't perfect ;)

Reply #5 Top

"It demands access to the intenet at least monthly"  Pardon?  Sounds like it's doing on-line dating...

"Steam/Steamapps/Common will be your path".  Sigh.  I had "C:\Fallen Heroes" in mind...

It would be nice to know whether you're supposed to be allowed to install on a second PC, or whether it's difficult.

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Does it matter whether I buy from Steam or from Stardock?  Does it make any difference to how much the developer gets?  Thanks.

Reply #7 Top

Directly from developer should always give them more money than from middlemen ;)

Reply #8 Top

OK, please forgive me, but I don't really understand the whole situation.  Steam is a publisher/vendor for third-party games, right?  Stardock, on behalf of Kalypso, is the developer-side, right (I don't think you can buy from Kalypso)?  Steam has already been selling LH for a few months.  Don't understand the significance of the retail release.  Don't understand that the developer sells it, but then you have to go through Steam to install/run it.  And I think Stardock could sell at different price from Steam...

And from my point of view, does buying through Stardock "count as" buying through Steam?

Hope I'm not driving you mad!

Reply #9 Top

Steam is also a distribution platform, that third parties may pay to have them distribute and update their games. In the process, when steam sells the game, steam gets a cut of 20% of the price. When you buy direct from the developer, the 20% is not taken by Valve (steam)

As to installing a second copy of your game on another PC. You can install your game on as many PC's as have a steam installed. To do so you must log into your account and download the game onto that PC. You can only have 1 copy of a steam account running at the same time. So, in turn you can be on steam (online) on only 1 machine at a time. But you can have offline access to several machines at once and so you can install steam and your games on a PC and Laptops (I currently have things installed on 3 computers)

You can also access a friends computer with steam account and log onto your account and install your games onto that machine as well. When you friend logs in he will see the games you own, but he will not be able to play it unless he owns the game. He will instead be given an option to purchase the game instead.

As with things with windows you can dis allow steam from starting up when you start up your computer. (Through the usual channels windows provides in preventing startup programs, might be a steam way of disabling this feature)

You can also set up where steam will install your content on your computer through the settings that steam provides.

Reply #10 Top

In steam settings, under the "Interface" tab, there is a box for "Run Steam when my computer starts", so it is pretty easy to not have steam start up every time.

 

Reply #11 Top

I don't have Steam run when my computer starts - it only runs when I start up Legendary Heroes and afterwards, till I remember to close it. =)

Reply #12 Top

Quoting StevenAus, reply 11

I don't have Steam run when my computer starts - it only runs when I start up Legendary Heroes and afterwards, till I remember to close it.

I agree with Steven.  That way Steam only runs when you want to play games.  I always try to minimize the number of programs running in the background & I have an excellent Internet connection and an above average rig.

Reply #13 Top

Steam makes a good enough IM program for my friends to be worth using outside of games.  It's pretty much replaced AIM for me over the last couple of years.

 

As for LH, direct from developer= Stardock gets all the money - any server costs.   Buy from someone else and they get their cut of it.

 

 

Reply #14 Top

Quoting JonBrave, reply 8
OK, please forgive me, but I don't really understand the whole situation.  Steam is a publisher/vendor for third-party games, right?  Stardock, on behalf of Kalypso, is the developer-side, right (I don't think you can buy from Kalypso)?  Steam has already been selling LH for a few months.  Don't understand the significance of the retail release.  Don't understand that the developer sells it, but then you have to go through Steam to install/run it.  And I think Stardock could sell at different price from Steam...

And from my point of view, does buying through Stardock "count as" buying through Steam?

Steam is a digital distributor, just like GameStop, GOG, etc.  

Stardock is the developer and publisher of LH.

Kalypso is a UK publisher which is handling the retail release over there.  From what I understand, boxed copies in retail for PC games are still quite popular, but that is a release that they are handling.

LH uses Steamworks, so Steam is required for a variety of reasons.

 

Reply #15 Top

Thank you for all the replies.  I have learnt several things I didn't know --- such as that Stardock is developer of LH, I thought they were distributor, and some Kalypso was author, and also that Steam takes as little as 20%, I assumed they took over and got the lion's share!  I'm also beginning to see that Stardock & Steam are both Valve, so they all seem to be in bed together anyway :)  And this is a Stardock forum, I didn't know from the URL...

OK, so I'd like to buy here instead of Steam.  I understand I'll still have to use Steam installer/launcher.  But I'll will have a non-Steam-purchased game with my Steam account, is there anything I won't get/will be missing out on, that's what I'm trying to understand?  Thanks.

Reply #16 Top

You defintely will NOT be missing out on anything. There are not multiple versions of the game, just multiple methods to purchase it. Oh and also, Stardock is the distributor as well as developer, and also are not part of Valve. Stardock just uses Steam, similar to how Firaxis with Civilization V uses Steam.

 

What will happen upon purchasing is you will receive a code to plug into steam, this code will add FE:LH to your library, and from then on, it will be just as if you had purchased it via Steam.

Reply #17 Top

Thank you, Leo, that makes me happier to purchase via Stardock.

However, you say "[Stardock] are not part of Valve", but the foot of this forum page states: "Copyright © 2013 Stardock Entertainment and Valve Corporation. "  OIC, you're saying Fallen Enchantress is Stardock, while Steam is Valve, and they are "co-operating" but distinct companies here for the copyright....

Reply #18 Top

Quoting JonBrave, reply 17
However, you say "[Stardock] are not part of Valve", but the foot of this forum page states: "Copyright © 2013 Stardock Entertainment and Valve Corporation. "  OIC, you're saying Fallen Enchantress is Stardock, while Steam is Valve, and they are "co-operating" but distinct companies here for the copyright....

That is posted because there are Steam graphics and names used.  Stardock is not part of Value other than what has been explained above.

 

 

Reply #19 Top

Quoting sjaminei, reply 1

 ... and you will get at least two DLC's soon for LH. 

 

What does this refer to, please?

And do I need [i.e. I won't want to live without] to purchase DLC from day one?

Tx.

Reply #20 Top

They are not mandatory for gameplay reasons, because they don't change a bit in that regard. It's perfectly fine to start off without the two DLCs, they might only be worthwhile if you have a little spare money and want to increase map, item and random event variety in your games.

Reply #21 Top

Buy directly from developers when possible (so that they get the money) and buy from Steam itself otherwise (sometimes you can get steam keys for less from reputable sources and sometimes you run into scam sites that want to infect your pc with viruses and steal your children...why screw around and take chances).

 

I used to hate Steam but now I love it and I buy most of my games thru it.  I prefer to buy directly from developers when possible so that they get the money but distribution and patching are usually enough of a PITA for people that they just use Steam for THEIR convenience.  One thing is for sure, I buy my games digitally and download them and don't miss retail or physical media AT ALL.

 

I own and buy a lot of games, a lot of them indies.  It's convenient to have them managed in one place and nobody has as good of game management (as far as updating games) as Steam (for both players and developers, the convenience it offers devs for distributing patches and content is one of the reasons it got to be so popular).

 

I used to shut steam down after finishing games but now I often leave it running.  It's harmless.  I have a monster PC that could run multiple premium games simultaneously so having Steam running is trivial.  The benefit is that if games do get updates it just happens and never slows down firing up a game.  I just check my library periodically to see what's been updated.  I also like to check Steam regularly (often once a day) for sales and deals because getting excellent games at huge discounts is always nice.

 

I remember back when you would download patches and apply them yourself (if you followed game news or forums and KNEW there was a patch at all) to games and every dev had their own mechanism, then games started having custom update facilities within the games themselves and that was always different from game to game (and a waste of dev time that could be spent on the game itself).  Steam is by far a better mechanism for updating and content than having a different, often clunky, system for every game.  As wonky as those old systems were for players, it was far worse for developers having to bundle patches or build in patching and hope that it would work for every horribly built and maintained PC on the planet.  Offloading that to a 3rd party who specializes in it and does it very well is a dramatically better idea for devs and customers.

 

Lastly, as a software developer myself I have zero appreciation for people who steal intellectual property (games, videos, music, etc) and come up with lame justifications.  I see it as any other crime.  Unacceptable.  I've never liked being treated like a criminal when I pay for my stuff, and most DRM is extremely lame.  Something like the online check that Steam does is way less of an inconvenience than media in the drive and/or the securom style invasive garbage.  I can understand companies attempting to protect their products since there are so many scrubs out there that willingly steal (even if there are enough bigger scrubs that facilitate stealing by cracking DRM and sleazebags that host illegal software).  If there must be DRM, I'd rather it have as little of an impact on gaming as possible.  Online checks are considerably less painful that more barbaric alternatives.

 

Reply #22 Top

Many thanks to all who replied.  @Voqar I shall be quite sure to post here if I ever become the sort of fan of Steam which you are! :)

Well, the good news is, I haven't wasted anyone's time: I have just parted with my hard-earned cash direct to Stardock to purchase FE:LH !  k1

So I'm sent off to Steam, create account, and start download.  So far so good.  However, I was about top moan as follows: it is managing an average of 300KB/s (UK, Saturday, 8am, hardly the busiest of times), while I have verified that my broadband download speed is DSL 4Mb/s, and I could go out for half the day while it completes >:( I was going to ask whether Steam was "short-changing" me, but --- could someone clarify --- I'm now thinking that this is a "bytes" & "bits" issue?  Is it that the download speed is being quoted in kilo-Bytes/s while my speed is in mega-bits/s, so 300KB/s equates to 3Mb/s (I allow 1 byte == 10 bits, to cater for extra parity bits, which probably died out when I stopped using a dial-up modem? )

Reply #23 Top

4 mbit = 512 kb/s top speed, not average speed so your DL seems to be what it should be. Dunno why they keep using Mbits for speed, probably to make it seem quicker ;)

Quoting JonBrave, reply 19


What does this refer to, please?

And do I need [i.e. I won't want to live without] to purchase DLC from day one?

Tx.

You can easily skip the map pack DLC. The quest pack DLC and the coming Loot Pack DLC however should be worth the money. The quest pack adds a lot of spice to your game with a lot of random events+ some nice items. 

Reply #24 Top

Thanks for clarification, sjaminei!

I'm still downloading... As soon as that's done, I shall obviously want latest 1.3 Patch --- I do hope that has not been implemented as "download the whole thing all over"..., else I shall be back here to whinge :)

Reply #25 Top

You should already be downloading the 1.3 version, so after the initial download no other downloads should be necessary until they update to a newer version. steam will also keep the game up to date unless you tell it otherwise.