I don't think im going to bother responding to redtide, in my years of helping games be balanced out and even making some of my own scenarios in WC3 I have never seen someone be so stupidly blind and in denial as him. The Talion is a ship, the ability revives ships END of story. Im only harsh against people who are intentionally blind to the fact. It is not a bug, a bug is an unintended effect such as units revived from Reanimation are enemy units that are supposed to die. But Return of the Fallen has them return. THAT is a bug, there is no bug about one of your own units that you payed for, coming back, because the tooltip says that ships are revived.

Deal with it red tide. Aerias and Destras get revived they are cruisers, just like the talion. Which is why you dont see the Capital Ships and Titans being revived please stop being stupid now.

Illuminator's illusions are also revived by Return of the Fallen, that's also a real bug.

Precisely, they also come back as real illuminators correct?

Yup. Entirely free ships! Yay!

Revives frigates and cruisers;

No capital ships, no titans

A Talon is a cruiser.

Not a bug

Reduces the pricing of a starbase to compete with vasari starbases

Allows your empire to spread more culture with culture starbase modules.

Good luck

I'm not sure I understood Redtide's logic.

He was saying that if you take a Saviour and use it for it's intended utility (starbase construction,) you shouldn't get it back because it's expensive and you already used it.

So if I take let's say, a Guardian, quite an expensive cruiser, into combat, and use it for it's intended utility (abilities, perhaps even sacrificing to feed the Eradica,) does that mean I shouldn't get it back if/when it's destroyed because it's expensive and I already used it?

That's a load of crap.

Return of the Fallen is entirely an economic tool, this is evidenced by the fact that your ships spawn at your homeworld and not on the battlefield. Hell, it even costs me absolutely nothing to use a revived Guardian except the time it takes to get back to the fleet, I still have to drop a hefty sum of money if I want to use a revived Saviour.

I'd say this is working as intended, and I'd probably end up scuttling the things if they revived because they take up fleet supply and you never really have to build that many starbases.

Not quite. See the guardian HAS a purpose in being alive be it antimatter food for your titan or it's abilities in combat. Losing a guardian is net loss in the long term. The talion being alive serves no purpose. The only utility it has is to build a starbase. If that talion or any other ship was destroyed in combat or fed to a titan (would be an odd choice), then I think it should be eligible to return but just building a starbase is pure gain. It's a special case that I doubt was foreseen with the tech and should be discussed.

The difference in opinion is that I'm looking at Return of the Fallen from a programmer perspective as something to recoup loss. Building a starbase is not a loss and as such I consider it an unintended consequence that needs to be at least addressed. In programming, a bug is something that creates an incorrect or unexpected result. Thus, from the description of the ability and no knowledge of what the development team has discussed, I would consider this a bug until told otherwise. 

In all honesty, I don't really care about this particular issue that much. It's just tiring seeing the same old arguments in RTS games that certain "features" should stay in because "Race X needs it to compete with Y" or "It's not game breaking so it's fine" rather than analyzing the design and how it affects new players. I've played too many games where minor bugs or quirks were left in that destroyed any chance of new players to join the community and I don't want that line of reasoning to make Sins even harder for new players to enjoy. 

wow lol

LoL @ Argument

Return of the fallen revives dead cruisers or frigates

Building a starbase destroys the cruiser

Talion is a cruiser

Cruisers have a chance of being rebuilt with an ability.

Ergo, not a bug.

Argument was over forever ago.

More like if you use common sense:

If you look at this from a realistic perspective then it shouldn't work period. When a Talion creates a Starbase what happens, does it explode and thru magic the SB just suddenly appears? No, it morphs into the SB like the Mobile Construction Unit from the Command & Conquer series or a Caterpillar to a Butterfly.

So please, do explain to me how a cruiser turning its self into a SB is death for the ship, when in reality the ship was not lost but simply transformed into the building block of something else, no loss of life or materials.

Now Advent Rebels are incredibly weak right now pre-patch (hoping for tomorrows buffs) so I don't really care about this bug but do not pretend this isn't going against common sense.

The ability does not state that it will only bring back ships destroyed in combat. It only states that some ships will be ressurected, period.

The Talion is a ship, it is gone, and has been ressurected.