MAKING FACTIONS AVAILABLE NOW.

Agreed. I would very much appreciate the ability to play the advent.

no that would be harder to balance everything out that way. needs to be one at a time then all together

NO, they will be ready when they are ready, rushing will do NO good for the game, if you want to play the other factions go play trinity.

And for those who don't have trinity?

Besides, the point of a beta is to test out thing that ARE NOT ready yet.

the point of the beta is to test "finished" features.

Obviously releasing unfinished features would lead to you (and others) submitting bug reports on functionality that they KNOW is not finished.

This just leads to an avalanche of bug reports that would overshadow the bug reports they would get over features/functionality that were done. They would then have to plow through all those bug reports to find those that are relevant for the pieces of functionality that they considered beta-ready.

Just let the devs do their thing, release stuff they think is beta-ready and then report bugs in that. This is how the process goes.

We need to wait more ... and it's normal even if i would rather play other races right now.

Guys i think, if you have the factions ready (full ready, with minor bugs) launch it . But if have to much work to be done, i prefer wait some time more .

Bye, i wait impatiently the Vasari and Advent faction 

playing less-finished factions against more finished ones could also distort opinions of what is overpowered compared to what, and consequently, distort the balance feedback as well.  I get it, though; I really want to play the Advent Loyalists and Rebels.

So do I, but that's no reason to release a race with placeholder graphics, placeholder models, unfinished AI, unfinished abilities, unfinished research etc which is most likely the case as they are (again, just guestimating as a developer myself) in the process of properly finalizing the models, textures, abilities etc.

There is a huge gap between what a customer perceives as "partially finished" and what a dev sees as "partially finished"

You are not playing a released game, you are in a closed beta. You didn't purchase your spot in the beta, you preordered the game. All this did was put you directly on a list of invitees.

The way Ironclad set this beta up is a bit odd, but there is an unfounded level of entitlement that a lot of people seem to be feeling. We are here, by invitation, to help make a better game. There's no way we could give any sort of useful feedback on a faction's balance which they don't feel is finished. Look around the forum; you'll see most people think the Vasari need a good bit more work. Finding bugs for a faction they're still coding for is equally pointless, and would just take time away from polishing they content they feel IS ready for the finishing touches. There's a reason for setting the beta up like this, and it makes sense. Trying to change it because you're bored with playing TEC isn't doing anyone a favor in the long run.

what i don't get is that people whined and complained for the beta to come out and now that you have it some people STILL want to whine and complain

People are never satisfied these days. There really isn't any other answer to that.

I SO want to play the other factions.  However, I hope that the devs don't let us until they have gotton most of the bugs out of the TEC faction.  Also, there may well be bugs specific to the interactions between factions.  I say:  Wait as long as you need, devs. I can wait.

Look, just please do not ask. They are done when they're done.

EDIT:

Shouldn't of lashed out.

Sorry.

Seem more like someone who wish enjoy the game before everybody that a true beta tester... guy from the OP post have make his first post, never report any bug ( but there is plenty of them )...

I ask Stardock to make the beta unavailable to people who don't really test the beta but use it for try having premature fun... at least, it will reduce the numerous topic related to when other faction will be released...

In the betas for original SoaSE and it's expansions it took quite long for the other factions to be playble. Now, i'm as eager to test out the new Advent toys as the next guy, but rushing deveploment never ends well.

This is a horrid idea, it would seriously put a damper on the development of Rebellion. The factions are far complete. Flooding the forums with issues concerning a faction that is not complete, and obviously still in the development stage (resulting in a larger amount of bugs) will outnumber other bug reports that deal with the TEC (the only completed faction) and issues with the client, forcing the developers to sort through the threads, wasting their time.

Also, playing an unfinished race on multiplayer could have serious balance issue, but this mostly concerns the Vasari Loyalists.

If you really want to play the other factions, figure out how to manipulate the client on your own. If you succeed, please do not post any bug reports, as bugs are to be expected in things still in the development stages.

Heh, you gotta love how people are outraged about one guy, who asked simple question. As if him asking had any influence on development. If the devs disagree, they simply wont do it, no matter what. No harm done.

BTW despite TEC being the only "finished faction", you can actually finish the game for Vasari Loyalists. There might be some placeholder graphics, their abilities may be unfinished and imbalanced at the moment. but its not like the game crashes the moment you start the game for them or build their Titan. Its unfinished, not broken.

@OP> if you really want to play other races now, just check the forums, finds someone who can do it  (its not a secret) and ask him to help you via PM. The devs were clearly never going to unlock other factions, just because you, me or anyone else are impatient and want to play them right now.

Hey man, chill out.  There's no reason to lash out like that.  Especially when you have obviously been impatient enough yourself to mod your game so "you" could play the other factions.  It's a double standard and gets you no respect.  You're impatient enough to mod your game so you can get the opportunity to play the other factions before you're supposed to.  Then get mad at other people simply for "asking" to get the same opportunity?  You may have information others don't now, so you know the reasons why now (even though you weren't supposed to), but that doesn't give you the right to lash out at people like that.  Like I said, just chill out.  People are just getting antzy.  Me, I've had my fill of the TEC, so I'm just sitting back and waiting for when they release one of the other factions.  But believe me NR2001.  If I knew how to mod my game so I could get a glimpse at the other 2 factions and try them out, you bet your ass I would.  Just like you obviously did.  If you didn't then you wouldn't have the information needed to write your comment the way you did.  So relax man... It's not that big of a deal.  Just chill and spark up a smoke.

On a side note:  I am in complete agreement with most of the people in this thread.  Factions should get released 1 at a time, then all together.  That's how the testing process should go and I'm not about to contradict that.  I'm not about to rush the devs to release the other factions.  They can all the time they want.  I can wait.  I would rather see this game get released as close to perfect as possible rather than rush them out of impatience.  It's just not worth it.  Take all the time you need dev's.  I'll be waiting right here.

So, if you play Vasari or Advent, you don't have the black screen problem, you don't have ship who dissappear, you don't have mine who go trought titan and don't explode, you don't have trade line who show incorrectly, you don't have... well, the list is long...

If the game is somehow broken with TEC, it will be with other races too... there is plenty of bug who are game engines related and who have nothing to do with any faction...

Well, i have carefully read again and again the OP... there is no "?"... post is not about question but request... one between numerous other one... guy is using the beta for fun, not for help Stardock to make the game better by finding bug... first post ever made by the guy is for ask to enable other races... seem that beta testing was perfect for him, not problem at all...

Well, it is your right... and in your own case, we can say that you have made your job as beta tester ( https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/419104 )... pretty sure that thousand of people have the beta and if all of them was reporting like you do, almost all the bugs or balance problem will be know now...

Lol, thanks for the recognition Thoumsin.  I didn't actually expect someone to check if I took my beta testing seriously.  Wow, I've worded that badly, but I can't think of a better way.  Trust me, I'm not being facetious.  Just genuinely surprised.  Thanks man.

i agree with the original poster, I'm very bored with TEC and want to see the other races, no matter how unbalanced they may be right now, heck , just use original sins meshes and make the titans a big green rectangle, i don't care , actually that's not a bad idea.....

Recognition was done by Yarlen ( a stardock member ) when he have thank you...

As for the checking, it is one of my bad habit... come from the fact that i trust nothing and/or nobody... so, it lead me to seek info/data over the concerned people before opening my mouth...

If the guy from the OP post have made a least one single report/comment about the beta testing of Rebellion, i will never  have make a single post in these topic... it is my personal opinion that people who only play and don't beta test Rebellion fail to their "job" and have no right to ask for more...

Well, it is somehow the "mistake" of Stardock... by example, i was hoping to find a bugzilla type site for report bug... or a registration page where you describe with detail your hardware/software configuration... something who look a little more "professional" that now... at least something like a EULA who explain the task and duties of a Beta tester... well, it is my first game beta testing when i exclude open source project... so, it is maybe the normal way for  game testing...

I did not mean to advoquate him, but i thought people went over the top attacking him. Whether he asked or requested something, that just play of words, the point stays, no harm done.

The things you named, frankly, the only one i would consider to be a symptome of a broken game, is the black screen issue, and luckily, i did not have one myself personally, not while playing TEC nor Vasari. Other things like incorrect trade-lines or mines not exploding correctly, are just annoyances, you can easily overlook, as they are hardly game-breaking, you still can enjoy the game pretty much despite them. I did not built any mines myself as well, when i tried Vasari Loyalists, so there was no issue with them obviously. Nor have i seen any ships to dissapear - not telling now it did not happen, as its not easy to spot, when you have dozens of them.

Finally, you may argue, that point of the beta is to help StarDock to fix the bugs, but that is only part of the equation. For the most part, you are given the beta in exchange for preordering the game, not to help  finding bugs, that is just bonus to devs, if you do so. And as a customer, you have no obligation to do it, so its nothing wrong to use beta just for fun. He did not paid for being a beta-tester after all, but to have fun. Similarly the devs are not obliged to accept his requests (and you do not see him around raging cause they ignored him), nor allowing anyone the access to beta, but as i said, they are doing it, to convince you to preorder the game in the first place. Because you know, better sparrow in hand, than a pigeon on the roof - old saying we have over here.