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McCain or Obama? Down with both of them!

McCain or Obama? Down with both of them!

For the first time since I became old enough to vote, I'm seriously considering sitting out a Presidential election.

Obama, on the one hand, brings nothing to the Presidency other than a radical agenda that seems to have little understanding of how the real world works.  There's no circumstance that I would vote for him.

But to me, McCain's actually worse.  Unlike Obama, McCain actually took away our rights.  His "Campaign Finance Reform" stripped a lot of my fundamental freedoms. For instance, if there's a candidate I feel passionately for, I couldn't take out an ad for them in a newpaper right before the election. My ability to support a candidate has been greatly curtailed.  For that reason alone, I wouldn't vote for him.

But McCain has so many other reasons not to vote for him. His position on immigration,while not different from Obama's, has been presented far more arrogantly than anything Obama has done.  I was against any kind of "path to citizenship" nonsense. I don't want "comprehensive immigration reform". I want the current laws enforced. It has nothing to do with "racism" as McCain and his minions suggested.  How about this: Our company spends tens of thousands of dollars each year paying for legitimate visas and other red tape to legally employ foreign workers.  For McCain to even suggest that those who break the law should get a slap on the wrist or be ignored isn't incredibly offensive.  Does McCain plan to pay us back the $100k or so we've had to pay to do things by the book?

McCain's positions also often strike me as just pandering to the media. He's against drilling in ANWR? Why? He wants to push various "green positions"? Why? I'm not saying he shouldn't, I just think it's obvious he supports those positions to pander to his left-wing buddies in the media. I doubt he's very familiar on the issue.

The only argument for McCain I can really see is supreme court justice picking. But realistically, the next two court justices likely to go are on the left anyway and McCain is not likely to pick particularly conservative jurors, particularly with the Senate so far left.

Obama's position on taxes and such are largely harmless to the people he's targeting because Obama is too clueless to understand how the tax system really works.  My favorite proposal was Obama's suggestion that people who make over $250k a year would continue to pay FICA. That's the kind of proposal that only someone cluessless about the tax system would come up with.  All he'd do is create an incentive for people to get paid in dividends or disbursements instead of going through payroll which, in turn, would start to cut into Medicare payments (which are already uncapped).

So I say down with both of them. There's no lesser of two evils this time around.

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Reply #51 Top
I have noticed every comment you have made is very ignorant, no wonder you sound like a Democrat.
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Whoa...go easy on that!
:HOT:

It is a liberal trait after all - lose the debate and resort to name calling.
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Ditto for you, doc. :SURPRISED: 
Reply #52 Top
Our company spends tens of thousands of dollars each year paying for legitimate visas and other red tape to legally employ foreign workers.
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Yeah, but you're referring to a very different kind of immigrant.
Reply #53 Top

Bob Barr?

If you are looking for freedom, why not vote Libertarian?  I know he is on the ballot in all but W Virginia...

Reply #54 Top
Ditto for you, doc.
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I made the observation, I did not call names. Unless liberal is now a perjorative? I can go with that. :LOL:
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Check it out, sign the petition...
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A Mickey Mouse suggestion proving nothing. :( 
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All you have to do is look at the world around you to see case after case of countries moving AWAY from communism and socialism. Why? Because greed works.
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Israeli author Ephraim Kishon wrote a series of articles about communist eastern Europe. He fled communist Hungary in the 1950s after surviving World War 2 there. In contrast to those unhappy in America his reason not to leave earlier was not that nicer countries wouldn't give him a visa but that his communist home country wouldn't allow him to leave.

He later wrote many articles and stories about his time in communist Hungary, including the one about the supervisor who joined the communist party to advance his career and became a proud communist. But his wife kept reminding him that he wasn't a real communist; he didn't have the car and the villa.

Anyway, a few years later he visited Yugoslavia and wrote about his experiences in this arguably very moderate communist state.

He reported that he and a Yugoslav friend drove on a highway when his friend suddenly told him: "Look! Here it begins! Look! Look!"

An hour later his friend suddenly said: "Look! Here it ends! Look! Look!"

Turns out his friend was informing him that they just passed by, in their car on the highway, the dictator's family's country home street front.

The point is that greed existed in communist countries.

What was missing was a certain social equality.
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Other highlights from Kishon's reports:

- A 70-year old man working in a publishing company finds out that he is going to be fired (by the people) because the publishing house cannot afford so many employees since it had been nationalised. The next day he sits, after work, in the voluntary party class and has to answer a question the teacher posed about the difference between capitalism and communism. He answered, as he learned to do, that under capitalism workers feared their capitalist bosses and were never sure of their future while under communism... he couldn't even speak the rest when he started crying.

- The workers often joked about how much they hated seeing the publishing company's owner's car and driver on the grounds all day, given that they themselves couldn't afford cars (or drivers) and had to walk to work. This stopped after the company was taken over by the party^H^H^H^H^Hpeople. The party representative who now ran the company and had taken over the car and the driver usually left work before lunch.

- Labour unions were outlawed by the communist government because the people owned everything and nobody would strike against the people because that would be workers striking against themselves.