McCain or Obama? Down with both of them!

Like him or not, Its in your interest to vote for McCain, so I imagine thats what you'll end up doing.

And Bush signed McCain/Feingold into law... that didn't stop you from voting for him in 04

I can get around anything that Obama does.

I do agree with most of your points, and I am certainly no McCain fan, but I will be voting for him soley as a vote against Obama.  In my opinion, Obama is far worse as he is quite supportive of strict gun laws.  I won't even get started about his ties with radicals like Ayers and Wright.

 

Pick a name, any name from the hat. easier than making up your mind on who's worse.

  This seems to be my philosophy too. 

If you look at it another way it makes the system a little more fair to the little guy who doesnt have money to take out an ad for McCain. why should the party with the most money always win , poor people deserve it to be an equal playing field otherwise it is not democracy , the rich would get to win over and over again , which they usually do anyhow. but you are right McCain flip flops more then Kerry did. The media gave McCain alot of slack for his changing positions with the wind approach , but the one good thing he did was try to pass CFR.

I pretty much agree with you in total! I may vote for Barr, or I may vote for one of the 2 clowns. I will vote, but not likely FOR anyone.

I'm with you, Brad. I think either will be terrible for the country. Problem is, we are kind of stuck with the two party system.

I did run across another idea: http://www.mickeyforpresident.com/. Those guys are advocating a writein of Mickey Mouse for president to make a statement about how dissatisfied we are with this situation. Check it out, sign the petition...

One thing missing from your calculus is war. Its easy to forget that we are at war... so I don't fault you for that.

Good intentions are swell. But the practical reality is that the poor don't get a voice still but the radicalized media got empowered.

As for the poor getting an equal voice - they already get a disproportional voice.  The rich pay most of the taxes and the poor get most of the benefit.

Just because you pay more taxes it doesn't make you any more deserving nor does it make you contribute any more to society then the working man. most rich people wouldnt be where they are if it wasn't for them exploiting the poor for personal gain.

That's a very generalized and ignorant opinion. What's your beef with rich people? If you invented something and made $2 off each one you sold and 1 million people thought it was a good invention, you would easily make $2 million. Does that mean you are exploiting the poor? I have noticed every comment you have made is very ignorant, no wonder you sound like a Democrat.

Not ALLL millionares got where they are from exploiting the poor. If you have a great idea that makes money , fantastic , Bill Gates is a guy I like , he came up with something that has helped us all..and he gives back to people through his foundation which is very admirable. But in regards to people in the Health Care Insurance and Oil industry they have made their money with blood on their hands. Plus any company that makes their products in third world countries so they can make huge numbers of folks poor and jobless here in the USA is wrong , so yeah they are exploiting. And just because someone on this board isnt a right wing nut job does not mean im ignorant , last time i checked Bush's approval rating was like 20 percent , and Obama is leading in the polls.

LOL, you are definitely funny. Compared to the Democrat controlled Congress's 12% approval rating, Bush is actually doing pretty good. So now every rich person in this country is in the Oil or Medical industry? Keep talking, you are making my job easier by making a fool of yourself all by yourself. But I guess you don't buy products in the US or that would make you a hypocrite for buying products made by people being exploited by rich American people, right? What do you drive? Where do you gas up? What do you eat? How many charities have you given money to? Do you travel to other countries for medical attention? Hah, if hypocrisy was money you would be a multi-millionaire.

Keep in mind buddy that while you may think right wing people are nut jobs, most if not all your left wing hero's are rich and benefit from the same Medical and Oil industries your hypocrite nature is bitching about. And they too benefit from all that outsourced work the US has when they, also, buy the products and make money off them from their stocks as well. So you can take your hypocritical behind and go hide in a corner till you wake up from your fantasy.

LOL, you are definitely funny. Compared to the Democrat controlled Congress's 12% approval rating, Bush is actually doing pretty good. So now every rich person in this country is in the Oil or Medical industry? Keep talking, you are making my job easier by making a fool of yourself all by yourself. But I guess you don't buy products in the US or that would make you a hypocrite for buying products made by people being exploited by rich American people, right? What do you drive? Where do you gas up? What do you eat? How many charities have you given money to? Do you travel to other countries for medical attention? Hah, if hypocrisy was money you would be a multi-millionaire.

Keep in mind buddy that while you may think right wing people are nut jobs, most if not all your left wing hero's are rich and benefit from the same Medical and Oil industries your hypocrite nature is bitching about. And they too benefit from all that outsourced work the US has when they, also, buy the products and make money off them from their stocks as well. So you can take your hypocritical behind and go hide in a corner till you wake up from your fantasy.

So even though it's the worst approval rating since Hoover that doesn't mean anything? how bout when clinton left office (even with his sex scandel) He commanded around 40% double what Bush has. No i was just using Oil and Health as an example. Most people who are rich unless they invented something , pretty much exploit people to make their money and wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for the sweat and blood of the working class. IF i had a choice to buy products made by good paying american jobs i would definitely put my money there. but now adays i don't have the choice because all companies are outsourceing , if one company stood up and said that they were making their stuff here in the USA giving good jobs to hard working americans , trust me i would invest my dollars in that... but i have to eat , i have to buy my necessities and i have to gas up. I have no choice in the matter , the only thing i can do is vote for someone who is more likely to change the way the system works , and the best way to do that is to privitize everything. oil , health and everything. if the goverment is in control of everything that means we the people can make it accountable by voting in responsible people. With capitalism it's impossible to keep them right and accountable , especially when we are forced to buy their products , for instance HEALTH FOOD AND GAS. I dont understand on this forum ,why you are all so rude to me , i mean geeze is it that scary and offending to you that somebody disagrees with your precious values? you are typical conservatives , EVIL , RUDE and SELFISH. I wish we had an island to send you all to so you can have fun with your precious guns , sit around in a circle and blow your brains out.

LOL, what ever happened to having a President with really high approval ratings. It's a shame that 40% is good enough for some people around here. Of course this is one of your buddies so you will defend him.



You don't have to be rich to exploit people for starters. Some just do it better than others and become rich in the process. People work to make money to spend it on things they want, besides paying their bills (which in most cases are related to the things they want). If they chose to buy products made by poor people in other countries that's their choice. If the manufacturer becomes a millionaire in the process who's really at fault then? No one he is obligated to buy anything. We have options and while they are not always the best you can choose. You talk as if people in this country are slaves to rich people. You need to reevaluate your ideals. People chose to work in their jobs, they have the options of working anywhere they want (so long as the company hires them) and it is up to themselves to prepare themselves to get jobs that pay good.

Answer me this, how much are you willing to pay for a Whopper with cheese, fries and a large soda? Again you complain about poor people working to much and not getting paid enough but I bet you don't always buy brand name things at regular price.



And how much are you willing to pay for these "products made by good paying american jobs"? Cause we seem to have problems finding good hard working Americans to do jobs here in the States that businesses are forced to hire illegals or legal immigrants who wouldn't mind working under the hot blazing sun, cleaning toilets used by 200 employees, cutting grass, etc, all because those hard working Americans believe they should get paid $20 plus an hour for these jobs cause they think they deserve it. Now if you are willing to pay $150 to an American to cut your grass, $12.99 for Whopper with cheese combo, $7.63 for a gallon of milk or $40,000 for an American made Chevy Aveo; then go ahead and pay it so that these companies can afford to pay these high wages these Americans want, that way you get American made products and help your fellow Americans earn more money and not have the jobs outsourced. But I am willing to bet you love paying less for stuff. You are probably one of those people who believe that businesses should only make small amounts of profits from their businesses. I am also willing to bet that if you are or would be a business person, that concept would not apply to you cause you would wanna make as much money as you could. Just like I am willing to bet you think you deserve to get paid twice as much as you probably do right now for the same work. Hypocrisy alert.



That's a funny comment, considering right wing people want privatized industries and left wing people want Gov't controlled industries. You seem to be contradicting yourself here.



LOL, we don't make them accountable for what they are responsible today, what makes you think we will if they controlled everything? Not to mention if they did control everything, they would control us as well so no thanks. You definitely are in a fantasy world.



See your problem is, like so many other people in this nation, that you don't believe you have power when you do. It's just easier for people to accept there is nothing they can do rather than fight for what they believe in. This is our Gov't, its suppose to do what we want it to do, but we have become so dependent on it that it now tells us what to do and from what I can see you like it that way. You want to have your cake and eat it to but wen it comes to the Govt, you can't. You have to sacrifice some things to gain others, that is the natural order of things.



Well first you generalize you opinions, then you call right wing people nut jobs, then you top it off by showing your true nature and saying what you really believe by calling conservatives EVIL, RUDE and SELFISH all in caps, what did you expect would happen? Of course in your mind Liberals are probably lovable, fluffy Carebears who want nothing more than to save the poor, hopeless, helpless Americans who can't do anything for themselves and need big old Papa Gov't to tend to their every needs, all for free, with high paying jobs and without having to lift a finger to get it all.

No wonder this country is where it is today. I hope Obama wins. I can't wait to see how he will magically save this country.

LOL, what ever happened to having a President with really high approval ratings. It's a shame that 40% is good enough for some people around here. Of course this is one of your buddies so you will defend him.

Still better than BUSH.


You don't have to be rich to exploit people for starters. Some just do it better than others and become rich in the process. People work to make money to spend it on things they want, besides paying their bills (which in most cases are related to the things they want). If they chose to buy products made by poor people in other countries that's their choice. If the manufacturer becomes a millionaire in the process who's really at fault then? No one he is obligated to buy anything. We have options and while they are not always the best you can choose. You talk as if people in this country are slaves to rich people. You need to reevaluate your ideals. People chose to work in their jobs, they have the options of working anywhere they want (so long as the company hires them) and it is up to themselves to prepare themselves to get jobs that pay good.
Answer me this, how much are you willing to pay for a Whopper with cheese, fries and a large soda? Again you complain about poor people working to much and not getting paid enough but I bet you don't always buy brand name things at regular price.

Companies should pay the extra amount , they make too much money anyway and so do CEO's. Their should be a cap on how much people make , once you get to a million you can't make anymore money. Because nobody needs more than a million. And yep its alot like communist socialist and i like it. use the extra money to help out middle class working class people so they can afford to live , everyone is happy , and dont tell me someone making a million a year wont be happy.


That's a funny comment, considering right wing people want privatized industries and left wing people want Gov't controlled industries. You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

I used the wrong word there , i ment to make them all goverment ran not private.


Well first you generalize you opinions, then you call right wing people nut jobs, then you top it off by showing your true nature and saying what you really believe by calling conservatives EVIL, RUDE and SELFISH all in caps, what did you expect would happen? Of course in your mind Liberals are probably lovable, fluffy Carebears who want nothing more than to save the poor, hopeless, helpless Americans who can't do anything for themselves and need big old Papa Gov't to tend to their every needs, all for free, with high paying jobs and without having to lift a finger to get it all.

Yeah well i was just fighting fire with fire , you started it by acting so rude , you people should learn how to debate respectfully instead of taking offense.

Wow, you should be a lawyer, best defense I have seen so far.



Oh, so you don't believe in freedom? Listen to yourself. Do you realize that those same people you wanna help by taking money from one person to give it to them will tell you to go F yourself if they someday found themselves making more the $1 million? Who the hell are you to tell me how much money I can make? While you are at it set a cap on how many kids a couple can have. Hell I have a great list to add to your ridiculous statement:

Things the Gov't should put limits on:

1) The max amount of money any one person can make a year.
2) The amount of children a couple can have.
3) The number of cars anyone can own.
4) The number of Tv's.
5) The amount of each food item you purchase at a store.

You have good reasons for wanting to put a cap of wages, here are some good reasons for these:

2) Many couples can not afford to provide proper care due to having to many children to feed and clothe. 2 children per couple max if making $80,000 or more a year. 1 child if less the $80,000 a year. This will guarantee the child or children will have all the necessities, a secure future education and will create less of a burden on the parents.

3) The more cars there are the more pollution and no one likes pollutions (global warming). Max 2 cars if there are children in the household of driving age with licenses.

4) TV is bad for you, especially for children so 1 TV set per household.

5) Do you know how much food is wasted because people do not use up all of it before it expires? each product will have a limit depending on the size of the family.

There, how do you like that? Hell, while we at hows about everyone gets $20 an hour regardless what you do for a living? That's fair right?



Why do you live in the US again? So many countries craving for slaves like you for them to control. I know, lets make a Gov't program that will pay for transportation and passport fee's so people like you can move to the country that best suits your idea of how a country should be run. I recommend Cuba for starters.



Well, your matches are no match for my flamethrower so it's more like fighting a wild fire with a lighter. BTW, Mr Kettle, take a look in the mirror, that way you can make sure everyone gets your advise on how to debate "respectfully". Don't blog if you can't stand the heat from the fires you start.

Oh, so you don't believe in freedom? Listen to yourself. Do you realize that those same people you wanna help by taking money from one person to give it to them will tell you to go F yourself if they someday found themselves making more the $1 million? Who the hell are you to tell me how much money I can make? While you are at it set a cap on how many kids a couple can have. Hell I have a great list to add to your ridiculous statement:

Things the Gov't should put limits on:

1) The max amount of money any one person can make a year.
2) The amount of children a couple can have.
3) The number of cars anyone can own.
4) The number of Tv's.
5) The amount of each food item you purchase at a store.

You have good reasons for wanting to put a cap of wages, here are some good reasons for these:

2) Many couples can not afford to provide proper care due to having to many children to feed and clothe. 2 children per couple max if making $80,000 or more a year. 1 child if less the $80,000 a year. This will guarantee the child or children will have all the necessities, a secure future education and will create less of a burden on the parents.

3) The more cars there are the more pollution and no one likes pollutions (global warming). Max 2 cars if there are children in the household of driving age with licenses.

4) TV is bad for you, especially for children so 1 TV set per household.

5) Do you know how much food is wasted because people do not use up all of it before it expires? each product will have a limit depending on the size of the family.

There, how do you like that? Hell, while we at hows about everyone gets $20 an hour regardless what you do for a living? That's fair right?

I support wage caps and child limits. the rest i don't support.




Why do you live in the US again? So many countries craving for slaves like you for them to control. I know, lets make a Gov't program that will pay for transportation and passport fee's so people like you can move to the country that best suits your idea of how a country should be run. I recommend Cuba for starters.

I would love to move away but other countries don't give away visa's. Cuba's healthcare is better then what we got here and best part is its free, plus 5 cent prescriptions.


Well, your matches are no match for my flamethrower so it's more like fighting a wild fire with a lighter. BTW, Mr Kettle, take a look in the mirror, that way you can make sure everyone gets your advise on how to debate "respectfully". Don't blog if you can't stand the heat from the fires you start.

So i start a fire just by expressing my opinion? who's really the one against freedom here? ever heard of freedom of speech? hmm i guess u support gitmo huh , how bout freedom of a trial? hmm u prolly support bush's wiretaps , how bout freedom of privacy? you all can pick and choose what you consider "freedom" as long as Rush,Rove and Fox tells you , you are soo like lambs just follow your shepard (fox news)

maybe you should stop being such a know it all hoe.

Draginol, what about the VP slot? Do you see that as being able to persuade you one direction or another?

 I'll bet Bull Gates could do it.

Uh, I think you just wallowed in the mud (after lecturing the rest of us on it). She gave you a helpful hint. You decided to sling mud. WHich is not surprising. It is a liberal trait after all - lose the debate and resort to name calling.

Here's some advice. Go watch the movie Fortress with Christopher Lambert and get back to me on this 2nd ridiculous comments above.



Ever asked yourself why so many Cubans are willing to risk the cold, shark infested, storm prone ocean between Cuba and the Florida Keys to get away from Cuba? Dude, stop making excuses and leave.



Dude, go back to all your comments from other political articles. All you do is start fires you then get burned with. I am not taking your freedom away, I don't have that kind of power. I am exercising my freedom to point out how ignorant your comments are. If you don't like criticism then I suggest you hang elsewhere cause we are here to debate and sometimes stupid comments like "Companies should pay the extra amount , they make too much money anyway and so do CEO's." and "if the goverment is in control of everything that means we the people can make it accountable by voting in responsible people." will get you a dose of reality, with a taste of "smack".

The Gitmo thing was overplayed. The trial thing I agree (but what do you care, you think all right wingers are nut jobs right?), I have nothing to hide so have no problem with the Bush wire taps, do you have something to hide? Freedom of privacy? Do you mean all the crap people do outdoors? Do you mean all the crap you find on youtube? On the Internet? Please, people only care about privacy when they can somehow profit from it. People do everything within their powers to call attention (designer clothing, loud stereo systems, awesome graphics on their cars, beautiful landscapes, shaking their asses, etc), that my friend does not scream privacy. BTW, chicken little following Mommy chicken (Obama), at least my Shepard takes care of me, mommy chicken will run at the first sign of trouble.