Up-to-date info on Rebellion mechanics (Abilities, Titan weapons, etc.)?

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Hi folks. After a long break from Sins, I'm sinking into it again with Rebellion and the DLCs. Same game, more options, more fun. Seems to be more optimized as well o.O . 

Anyway, my biggest issue with the game right now is the lack of comprehensive and up-to-date info on abilities, most importantly about titans.

Do you know of some place where I could find such info?

Some particular questions regarding titans are (all questions Vasari-biased ; I'm a Vasari freak since original Soase):

Titan Abilities:
- what exactly is targeted by respective titan abilities and what is not? For example, what is targeted by each of Kultorask's abilities? Are caps hit by Dissever or Gravity pulse? Are caps or starbases healed by Nano Remit? I know that Orky IS healed by Nano Remit but it's not indicated ANYWHERE in the game. Need Details!!!
- how do abilities work exactly? For example:
-- Desperation - Do all bonuses stack for each hit? What counts as a hit, a single attack animation from a ship or a single missile/projectile? 
-- Gravity Pulse - How long is the stun effect on Nano-leeched targets? Does it increase?

Titan Guns:
- how exactly are titans' weapons distributed on their banks (which guns go where in what weight/percentage)?
- how much DPS per target (per bank, per gun type)?
- how many targets per bank?
- how does that change with levels and upgrades? Does number of targets increase with titan's "S" hotkey upgrade (the weapon upgrade)?

Such info is not needed for starbases (they all have guns distributed evenly on 4 banks, even the orky) and is not really important for caps (caps are not really meant to be bought for their guns and their DPS is irrelevant in mid-late game). It is, however, quite important for titans which have starbase-level of damage and massively varied weapon layouts.

Help?

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Reply #1 from Sins Forums Top

Steam forums/community area has a ton of info on all that. Would suggest looking there.

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Reply #3 from Sins Forums Top

Thanks Ryat, I'll look on steam forums.

I've been through the wikia already. In fact, in my older days I used to contribute to it quite extensively (e.g. well over half of the Kortul's page is mine). Sadly, in very many places it either has outdated info or the information is limited to copy-pasting ingame tooltips, which are very incomplete (e.g. Nano leech doesn't say what it targets... which is kinda key to understand, ain't it? :) ).

Reply #4 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting N3rull, reply 3

Thanks Ryat, I'll look on steam forums.

I've been through the wikia already. In fact, in my older days I used to contribute to it quite extensively (e.g. well over half of the Kortul's page is mine). Sadly, in very many places it either has outdated info or the information is limited to copy-pasting ingame tooltips, which are very incomplete (e.g. Nano leech doesn't say what it targets... which is kinda key to understand, ain't it? ).
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Well a lot of that is in the infocard if you actually have Rebellion. Nano leach only targets frigates.

Reply #5 from Sins Forums Top

I thought the article mentioned that all fo the abilites on the Kultoraks could only target frigates. That was it's main weakness.

Reply #6 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Ryat, reply 5

I thought the article mentioned that all fo the abilites on the Kultoraks could only target frigates. That was it's main weakness.
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The instant damage of Dissever (900/1350) also affects capital ships.

Reply #7 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting agaricus5, reply 6


Quoting Ryat, reply 5
I thought the article mentioned that all fo the abilites on the Kultoraks could only target frigates. That was it's main weakness.

The instant damage of Dissever (900/1350) also affects capital ships.
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And the heal on Nano Remit affects pretty much everything as far as I've seen, including Orkulus if I'm not mistaken. Which is HUGE, important to know and not indicated anywhere.

Quoting GoaFan77, reply 4
Well a lot of that is in the infocard if you actually have Rebellion. Nano leach only targets frigates.
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Taken straight from my current game of rebellion.
Find the word frigate in here. I dare you.

The tooltips are incomplete and that's exactly why I'm here, looking for more info.

Quoting Ryat, reply 5

I thought the article mentioned that all fo the abilites on the Kultoraks could only target frigates. That was it's main weakness.
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That's all nice and fluffy, but the Wikia has tons of outdated information as well. Shit may have changed five times over since someone wrote that thing down I don't even know when. Look at this for example:

https://www.sinsofasolarempire.wikia.com/wiki/Rankulas_Battleship

Does this look like up-to-date info? Hell, there are even some pages that are outright lies, claiming some stuff works against Caps when I know they don't ever since Diplomacy.

I'm a mathematician and if I have all the reasons to doubt a particular source, I don't go sweeping every line of text and waste hours on confirming it. I look for a better source. Or find shit out myself as I go, from scratch, if it's all that's left.

Reply #8 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting N3rull, reply 7

Quoting agaricus5, reply 6

Quoting Ryat, reply 5
I thought the article mentioned that all fo the abilites on the Kultoraks could only target frigates. That was it's main weakness.

The instant damage of Dissever (900/1350) also affects capital ships.

And the heal on Nano Remit affects pretty much everything as far as I've seen, including Orkulus if I'm not mistaken. Which is HUGE, important to know and not indicated anywhere.
End of N3rull's quote

Nano Remit heals corvettes, frigates, cap ships, planet modules and starbases.


Well a lot of that is in the infocard if you actually have Rebellion. Nano leach only targets frigates.
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Taken straight from my current game of rebellion.
Find the word frigate in here. I dare you.

The tooltips are incomplete and that's exactly why I'm here, looking for more info.

I thought the article mentioned that all fo the abilites on the Kultoraks could only target frigates. That was it's main weakness.
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That's all nice and fluffy, but the Wikia has tons of outdated information as well. Shit may have changed five times over since someone wrote that thing down I don't even know when. Look at this for example:

https://www.sinsofasolarempire.wikia.com/wiki/Rankulas_Battleship

Does this look like up-to-date info? Hell, there are even some pages that are outright lies, claiming some stuff works against Caps when I know they don't ever since Diplomacy.

I'm a mathematician and if I have all the reasons to doubt a particular source, I don't go sweeping every line of text and waste hours on confirming it. I look for a better source. Or find shit out myself as I go, from scratch, if it's all that's left.
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Heh. In some ways I agree with this; I would love to have up-to-date and easy to access reference charts/information particularly as it's hard to plan strategy (if you haven't tried it out in MP already) without such things. But equally, from on the other side of the fence, you've also got to remember that reference charts for Sins would probably fill a small book if you do it thoroughly - I made a small chart for industrial/social specialisation and that is already enough to fill 30A4 pages if printed. Collecting all this information together is a massive undertaking, particularly when you also need to format it to be accessible to other people; it looks like there really isn't anyone around right now willing to put in the time to do it (myself included :)).

If you're partial to digging, I suspect the most popular method is to look directly at the entity files ([Install Path]/Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion/GameInfo), which is where the game references all the unit data. Most of it is in binary form, so you will need to decompile it to read it; you can find already converted files in various places (for example https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/449951 or https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/378266) or use one of the several entity converting tools out there (e.g. http://soase.x90x.net/modding/ConvertData.html).

Reply #9 from Sins Forums Top

Thanks Agaricus, I might just resort to digging through the files indeed.

And then, when I'm pissed enough, I will update the wikia myself with properly detailed information, at least in the titan-related sections, which are a complete black hole right now apart from some general tips that cannot be confirmed because they refer to abilities which have no details provided.

Reply #10 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting N3rull, reply 7
Taken straight from my current game of rebellion.
Find the word frigate in here. I dare you.
End of N3rull's quote

Well my apologies, I forgot that some abilities do not display targeting information at the top properly.

Reply #11 from Sins Forums Top

:)

 

I really would not have asked if it was that simple ;)