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Is There Another Story Behind the Ground Zero Mosque?

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Is There Another Story Behind the Ground Zero Mosque?

from JoeUser Forums

I find this to be an interesting story, and from the beginning I knew there was something else going on aside from just a so-called community center going in near ground zero.

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Follow the Shariah Index Project to solve the puzzle of the 6 mystery floors: We found two hidden websites with  copiously deleted information, all about the Imam’s Cordoba Institute Shariah Index Project.  For reference, here’s the Imam’s most recent hidden website (also available here as a pdf).  And here’s the Imam’s earlierhidden website (also available here as a pdf).  The information on those websites – information that the Imam tried to hide with a new whitewashed version – suggests that the six mystery floors of the Ground Zero Mosque will be dedicated to the Imam’s long-term goal: the Shariah Index Project, designed to benchmark Shariah compliance, to distribute Shariah propaganda, and to enforce Shariah law in America and worldwide.

Drawing from those hidden webpages and other sites, we’ve constructed a timeline for the Shariah Index Project and a partial list of Rauf’s partners in the Project.  In Part 2, we’ll reveal the disturbing background and views of those partners.  And in Part 3, we’ll present the bottom line – how this all ties together as a historic Islamist effort to market and to enforce Shariah in America, starting from Ground Zero.

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As usual we have to rely on bloggers to investigate.  The mainstream media is too busy labeling everyone has racists to help support their democrat allies.

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Reply #126 from JoeUser Forums Top

Dan posts #5

I 'get' the reality here: The mosque - at the very least - is in poor taste, but there isn't anything anybody do about it.

That sort of situation, in which the irrational types can't compete with what's rational - often results in such conspiracy nonsense---like these clowns who would love for you to believe that Al Quaada is getting offices in downtown NYC.

But look, we already have plenty of nuts looking to enforce their religious values on the rest of the country.

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Dan posts #55:

Do you seriously believe that is a real risk if the muslim folks put up a mosque near ground zero?
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Dan posts #76

Why does believing that somebody has a right to build a church ----however in poor taste --- mean that there's some sort of ideological alignment? To me, that seems a fundamental right. I think I read that somewhere.
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Ok then. So muslims who want Sharia law have that freedom of speech to. Build the mosque!
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No. I'm a common sense catholic. Not a crazy one.
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Dan,

For whatever reason you are always averting to yourself as Catholic. It seems you want a mosque built. But what disturbs me is the intolerance of Muslims. There is a huge colony of diplomatic and business people residing in Riyadh, the capitol of Saudi Arabia, including a great number of your fellow Catholics.

Since you believe in the construction of mosgues, how about going public and demanding that the Saudi Arabian government take immediate steps to allow a Catholic Church to be built on extra-territorial ground in Riyadh so that your co-relgionists may fulfill their religious duties? 

Why should Muslims be able to worship at a mosque here in the US, while your fellow Catholics have no church in Riyadh?

Where is the reciprocity from them?

 

Reply #127 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 125

You're serious? You're really concerned that the they're just going to start killing non-believers.
Oh, that's right... they've never done that before.  Silly me.
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I am glad you see the light Daiwa.  We all know that those stories are just plants from the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.  The truth is Bush did it.

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Reply #129 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 126
Dan posts #5 I 'get' the reality here: The mosque - at the very least - is in poor taste, but there isn't anything anybody do about it.That sort of situation, in which the irrational types can't compete with what's rational - often results in such conspiracy nonsense---like these clowns who would love for you to believe that Al Quaada is getting offices in downtown NYC.But look, we already have plenty of nuts looking to enforce their religious values on the rest of the country.Dan posts #55:Do you seriously believe that is a real risk if the muslim folks put up a mosque near ground zero? Dan posts #76 Why does believing that somebody has a right to build a church ----however in poor taste --- mean that there's some sort of ideological alignment? To me, that seems a fundamental right. I think I read that somewhere.  Ok then. So muslims who want Sharia law have that freedom of speech to. Build the mosque!No. I'm a common sense catholic. Not a crazy one. Dan,For whatever reason you are always averting to yourself as Catholic. It seems you want a mosque built. But what disturbs me is the intolerance of Muslims. There is a huge colony of diplomatic and business people residing in Riyadh, the capitol of Saudi Arabia, including a great number of your fellow Catholics.Since you believe in the construction of mosgues, how about going public and demanding that the Saudi Arabian government take immediate steps to allow a Catholic Church to be built on extra-territorial ground in Riyadh so that your co-relgionists may fulfill their religious duties? Why should Muslims be able to worship at a mosque here in the US, while your fellow Catholics have no church in Riyadh?Where is the reciprocity from them? 
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Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 126
Dan posts #5 I 'get' the reality here: The mosque - at the very least - is in poor taste, but there isn't anything anybody do about it.That sort of situation, in which the irrational types can't compete with what's rational - often results in such conspiracy nonsense---like these clowns who would love for you to believe that Al Quaada is getting offices in downtown NYC.But look, we already have plenty of nuts looking to enforce their religious values on the rest of the country.Dan posts #55:Do you seriously believe that is a real risk if the muslim folks put up a mosque near ground zero? Dan posts #76 Why does believing that somebody has a right to build a church ----however in poor taste --- mean that there's some sort of ideological alignment? To me, that seems a fundamental right. I think I read that somewhere.  Ok then. So muslims who want Sharia law have that freedom of speech to. Build the mosque!No. I'm a common sense catholic. Not a crazy one. Dan,For whatever reason you are always averting to yourself as Catholic. It seems you want a mosque built. But what disturbs me is the intolerance of Muslims. There is a huge colony of diplomatic and business people residing in Riyadh, the capitol of Saudi Arabia, including a great number of your fellow Catholics.Since you believe in the construction of mosgues, how about going public and demanding that the Saudi Arabian government take immediate steps to allow a Catholic Church to be built on extra-territorial ground in Riyadh so that your co-relgionists may fulfill their religious duties? Why should Muslims be able to worship at a mosque here in the US, while your fellow Catholics have no church in Riyadh?Where is the reciprocity from them? 
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There's a problem with your premise; you're comparing the USA with Saudi Arabia. They're not exactly the same boots in the box. With the former, there exists (or, well, there is supposed to) a certain freedom of expression, religion, and within limits, the freedom to build what you want. With the latter, there isn't.

Two different countries, two different set of laws.

Further, if I may offer an answer to your question; I would assume that he would naturally desire some reciprocity for his fellow Catholics, but I would think that it comes down to the fact that Saudi Arabia is not his country, and it would be like the Saudi Arabians or Chinese telling us what to do or how to act.

Continuing on, you ask, "Why should Muslims be able to worship at a mosque here in the US?"

Well, quite simply, we have freedom of religion, Saudi Arabia doesn't. Though, the last I heard the Pope was talking with SA's King about possibly having a church built.

Life is tough and you won't always get that reciprocity, even if you feel it is right. You don't get what you want sometimes. The best thing we can do is to not base our arguments off of emotions or things similar to it.

 

Reply #130 from JoeUser Forums Top

The best thing we can do is to not base our arguments off of emotions or things similar to it.
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absolutley agree.  We are living in a time of the warm fuzzies.  Everyone has their own interpretation of what that is and that's what they based their decisions/opinions on. 

 

Reply #131 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting KFC, reply 130


The best thing we can do is to not base our arguments off of emotions or things similar to it.
absolutley agree.  We are living in a time of the warm fuzzies.  Everyone has their own interpretation of what that is and that's what they based their decisions/opinions on. 
 

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You know, I can hardly believe we're agreeing on this KFC.Then again, albeit for different reasons, we both like Mike Huckabee. ;)

I've always felt you based your opinions on the emotions that come with being a devout believer in God. Sure, there's intellectual handy work along side it, but, in some ways (as I've come to realize through hind sight) I always (unconsciously/habitually) dismissed your comments because I've always felt that they were based more on what I consider myth, magic, and hocus pocus (god, bible, etc.), instead of fact and logic. 

I'm glad to see you admit that everyone has their own interpretation. Maybe we could extent that into the theological realm? ;)

Best.

Reply #132 from JoeUser Forums Top

You know, I can hardly believe we're agreeing on this KFC.Then again, albeit for different reasons, we both like Mike Huckabee.
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Luke???

My opinions are NOT based on emotion.  In fact, I abhor that really.  See it all the time.  My opinions are basesd on truth, facts, and evidences.  Nothing to do with feelings. 

I'm dealing with a "christian" friend now, who really doesn't want the truth.  She's basing everything off from emotion and the warm fuzzies and I'm afraid has got herself involved with a cult.   She can't see the red flags waving all around her because her eyes are closed with the "feel good" mentality. 

As far as the theological realm goes, there is only ONE interpretation of the bible.  It's own.  The bible interprets itself.  Sure, some take it out of context and interpret it for themselves making it say what they want.  But if you take the bible and let it interpret itself, being honest, you'd see there is no need for any outside interpretation. 

Reply #133 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Milonas, reply 131

I've always felt that they were based more on what I consider myth, magic, and hocus pocus (god, bible, etc.), instead of fact and logic. 

I'm glad to see you admit that everyone has their own interpretation. Maybe we could extent that into the theological realm?

Best.

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 Jean Paul Sartre has said that the basic philosophic question is that something is there rather than that nothing is there.  Nothing is worth callling philosophy can sidestep the question of the fact that THINGS DO EXIST in their present form and complexity.  In other words, Philosophy is not about trying to show that there is nothing but that there is something.

The bible isn't hocus pocus.  Its kind of funny hocus pocus if you knew the origins of that phrase. The bible has been shown to be quite historically  accurate.

Reply #134 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting KFC, reply 132

You know, I can hardly believe we're agreeing on this KFC.Then again, albeit for different reasons, we both like Mike Huckabee.


Luke???

My opinions are NOT based on emotion.  In fact, I abhor that really.  See it all the time.  My opinions are basesd on truth, facts, and evidences.  Nothing to do with feelings. 

I'm dealing with a "christian" friend now, who really doesn't want the truth.  She's basing everything off from emotion and the warm fuzzies and I'm afraid has got herself involved with a cult.   She can't see the red flags waving all around her because her eyes are closed with the "feel good" mentality. 

As far as the theological realm goes, there is only ONE interpretation of the bible.  It's own.  The bible interprets itself.  Sure, some take it out of context and interpret it for themselves making it say what they want.  But if you take the bible and let it interpret itself, being honest, you'd see there is no need for any outside interpretation. 
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Yup.

Oh I know that now, but then you and I could, and have in the past, debate on the facts you use. Additionally, i could, and I'm tempted to, debate on your last paragraph.

But, I should be working.

Best.

Reply #135 from JoeUser Forums Top

Lula posts:

Dan,

For whatever reason you are always averting to yourself as Catholic. It seems you want a mosque built. But what disturbs me is the intolerance of Muslims. There is a huge colony of diplomatic and business people residing in Riyadh, the capitol of Saudi Arabia, including a great number of your fellow Catholics.

Since you believe in the construction of mosgues, how about going public and demanding that the Saudi Arabian government take immediate steps to allow a Catholic Church to be built on extra-territorial ground in Riyadh so that your co-relgionists may fulfill their religious duties?

Why should Muslims be able to worship at a mosque here in the US, while your fellow Catholics have no church in Riyadh?

Where is the reciprocity from them?
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Milonas posts:

you're comparing the USA with Saudi Arabia. They're not exactly the same boots in the box. With the former, there exists (or, well, there is supposed to) a certain freedom of expression, religion, and within limits, the freedom to build what you want. With the latter, there isn't.
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I know. I used Saudi Arabia to make my point about the intolerance of Muslims. Radical Muslims, their culture and Islam is what it is no matter where they are...NYC or Saudi Arabia. Afterall, the Mosque backers were arguing for religious tolerance and so called interfaith cooperation. It is on this basis that I asked, where's the reciprocity from Muslims.

Muslims believe in triumphalism and that's why they want to build at ground zero and no where else. It's a trophy place to commemorate the attack carried out in the name of Islam against the West on 9/11.

 

Life is tough and you won't always get that reciprocity, even if you feel it is right. You don't get what you want sometimes. The best thing we can do is to not base our arguments off of emotions or things similar to it.
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The best thing we can do is to not base our arguments off of emotions or things similar to it.
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Agree. I'd say my arguments have been based upon common sense and common decency.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reply #136 from JoeUser Forums Top

I see the discussion has swerved into the topic of private interpretation of the Holy Bible and so I'll jump in the fray but promise not to belabor the point. 

KFC posts:

We are living in a time of the warm fuzzies. Everyone has their own interpretation of what that is and that's what they based their decisions/opinions on.

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Yes, that and moral relativism.

Milonas posts 131

I'm glad to see you admit that everyone has their own interpretation. Maybe we could extent that into the theological realm?
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KFC posts:

As far as the theological realm goes, there is only ONE interpretation of the bible. It's own. The bible interprets itself.
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You are deluding yourself if you believe that the Bible interprets itself.

If what you claim was true, then the Ethiopian in Acts 8: 26-40 would have known and understood what he was reading in Isaias, but he didn't and asked Philip to explain what it meant. The Holy Bible itself states in no uncertain terms that "no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.". 2Peter 1:20.

And if that's not enough, then here's a quote from a former Presbyterian minister, Marcus C. Grodi.

"Each Sunday from my Protestant pulpit, I proclaimed from Scripture the doctrines of my particular Protestant denomination. Across the street and around the corner other ministers of other denominations also preached from the same Bible and yet proclaimed different doctrines. Each of us believed that what we were teaching was essential and clearly based on Scripture, yet more often than we realized, in the privacy of our individual churches, what we preached contradicted one another." 

Protestantism has no way of resolving these denominational dichotomies; they will continue to split and justify their split based upon their own private reading and appeals to the Bible.  Protestantism doesn't do as the Ethiopian did and ask an authentic interpreter of Scripture what it means, and has ended up with de facto doctrinal relativism.  

The ancient Jews had authoritative teachers of Scripture and after Christ, Christians have an authoritative teacher..."the Church" which the Bible calls "the pillar and ground of truth".

 

 

 

Reply #137 from JoeUser Forums Top

I see the discussion has swerved into the topic of private interpretation of the Holy Bible and so I'll jump in the fray but promise not to belabor the point.
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 but just enough to contradict me (by jumping into a conversation between me and Luke) even tho we've discussed this countless of times you and I.  You just can't help yourself can you Lula?   You just don't get it nor do you want to.  This is nothing more than RCC proselytizing once again.  I'm not even going to bother refuting your false claim because been there, done that already.

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Reply #138 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Humbordt, reply 120
 
you can be dead serious. You have the RIGHT to move about the country as you see fit. It is part of the right of freedom. By denying you that right, they are taking away your freedom.
That's the point I was making (that no degree is acceptable--I seem to recall somebody saying that), but I really can't honestly say I get all that indignant when things like that happen.


Humbordt, you mean I can agrue for something that I am totally against and no one will know! Also, some people may feel that they are changing the world by changing one person's view. Heck, with one less person that only leaves 6,864,826,224 more to go.
I'm not arguing something I'm totally against (although, yes, you can do that), I'm just not as passionate about it as I may have let on. It causes me more eye-rolling than righteous anger.

And Dan's not trying to change anybody's mind, he's lashing out (if he is trying to change minds, he's going about it in a highly questionable manner). And I don't believe I could change his mind even if I wanted to. He's not here to exchange ideas, he's here to scream in people's face. I'll play with him for as long as I feel like doing it, but nothing I (or anybody else) has to say is going to change him. He'll either let go of all that hate one day or he won't.

And Dan, I realize I'm talking behind your back here (well, sorta-kinda), but I still love ya, man!
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Humbordt, I just found this and just wanted to clearify that I wasn't saying that you were agruing for something you that you totally didn't believe I was just saying that I have on the internet a lot of people that just want to agrue for the sacking of agruing. 

I am sorry for making it seem that was intended at you but it was intended for the person you were going round for round.  Hopefully you'll still read this.

RCC, the original church, giggles........ Jesus is the word, well....nevermind, this article is not about either of those points and don't feel like hijacking an article into another topic.