The Why DA is useless replay

in competitive games.

DA is not for competitive play. He has no staying power because he has no hp and no get away tactics. He only is good early game when characters don't have 4k hp when that number is eclipsed his usefulness runs out.

Here is the phail replay.

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=103030

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Reply #1 Top

This is true but but it appears no one cares enough to do anything about it.

Seriously vs all 3 teir 1 demigods you either play the mirror or sub out one for rook, sedna does not cut it vs any of them.

Occulas will be almost good enough for competitive play but not enough to change the meta.

Just dont play DA well ever (he does not exsactly contribute to just fun games either for differnt reasons), there is no motovation in the commnity to do anything about it at the moment (i tried to start a ballance mod but no one even posted to say i was wrong in my ideas, except one).

Reply #2 Top

The first 3 death were stupid. You don't engage 1v1 vs UB that hat BotF when you don't. It's suicide for any squishy dg.
So you have massive feeding vs a triple tank team with 4 monks... gg. It's not only DA that's not viable, neither are Tb or Reg against any Oak/Ub/LE setup.

Reply #3 Top

i finally come back to this game, whose community has basically died, just to find that the play level of the game hasn't gotten any better.  this replay was embarassing, and your inability to play a pretty powerful hero comes from your inability to figure out how to not play like a retard

Reply #4 Top

This is true but but it appears no one cares enough to do anything about it.
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i cared enough to do something about it...

thats why i made a mod tweaking his skills...

unfortunately ppl dont pay much attention to these so its hard for me to even make a request so that i can make what i modded official.

 

Reply #5 Top

Quoting AdmiralA, reply 3
this replay was embarassing, and your inability to play a pretty powerful hero comes from your inability to figure out how to not play like a retard
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You do know that it was not cow who was playing DA, but "FourKingHigh"?  Your post sounded like trash talk to Cow, so I wanted to clear that up.

Reply #6 Top

Quoting AdmiralA, reply 3
i finally come back to this game, whose community has basically died, just to find that the play level of the game hasn't gotten any better.  this replay was embarassing, and your inability to play a pretty powerful hero comes from your inability to figure out how to not play like a retard
End of AdmiralA's quote

Reply #7 Top

stardock has already stated the demigod is not primarily for competitive gameplay. so if you want that you have to use mods. there are some nice mods, and there is potential, but the modding is very young... this will need time. also how do you want to weight balance changes in a forum... ultimatly somebody has to decide what goes in and what doesnt.

Reply #8 Top

I'm still going to say people are just not using him correctly/he's too new/whine based on a bad game.

Reply #9 Top

Late game with Wrap 5, crit and 40% dodge, the DA is really nasty, the problem is to get there... which is basicly impossible because the tanks will push you around all the time, and you have to run like a little rat (that you are). The other option is Wrap/Spine combo, which uses insane amounts of mana (you need EoM and Magnus Rod). At the point you can presure with 2000 burst damage your enemies have 6000 health and 15% heal every 8s.

Generals heal everything back and UB will spit back on you and run. I'm still looking for reasonably pro game where DA is really good. Gimme some replays.

Reply #10 Top

It's pretty difficult to play DA at a high level without going Blood.  Even with blood it's tricky.  This Demigod is definitely weak early game but if you can stack enough hp on him and a sigil late game he's got a nice bag of tricks.  He is slow and squishy which is why I def recommend a point in demon speed early and a second at level 5 is my preference but not mandatory I suppose.

I personally have the most fun playing with Essence of Magic favor but Blood and a bunch of Mana pots may be the trick to being competitive at higher levels of play where you risk getting insta-ganked while the DA is under level 10.  Also, don't waste mana on that awful warp area, imo.

Reply #11 Top

Quoting ntropy, reply 9
Late game with Wrap 5, crit and 40% dodge, the DA is really nasty, the problem is to get there... which is basicly impossible because the tanks will push you around all the time, and you have to run like a little rat (that you are). The other option is Wrap/Spine combo, which uses insane amounts of mana (you need EoM and Magnus Rod). At the point you can presure with 2000 burst damage your enemies have 6000 health and 15% heal every 8s.
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What equip are you using to get 40% dodge?

 

Reply #12 Top

Another example of why I hate Hitpoint Items.

I've been messing with some changes and shaved a LOT of hps off of items. In testing with a few people I know, it REALLY helps the game be less about who stacks HPs faster and more about who plays better.

Reply #13 Top

I watched replay and I don't fully agree with Cow. I'd say FourKingHigh has no idea of how to use DA, he might be a good player but not a good DA player that game. I've seen him being used better. For example I have no idea why he chose the Swit Anklet. DA needs health and mana.

Reply #14 Top

Here is the phail replay.
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Fail replay indeed. But because of FourKingHigh, not because of the Demon Assassin...

Reply #15 Top

Quoting Polynomial, reply 8
I'm still going to say people are just not using him correctly/he's too new/whine based on a bad game.
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Reply #16 Top

If you think you know the proper way to play DA than show me. I have yet to see a DA make me run in fear, I tried a few builds with DA all were impractical against any generals or UB. Imo hes useless no matter your build.

Reply #17 Top

I haven't seen the replay, but I gotta say DA is not only useless in any actual competitive game, but also underpowered compared to any other Demigod as of 1.2 patch.

Not by much, but definitely worse than all other demigods, and any serious DG player should have realized it by now. I have stated the reasons already in other threads so i'm not retyping them here.

Reply #18 Top

nomilarac oh cmon. We had this debate, and you can't seriously claim that DA is weaker than TB. This is bull.

 

You suck with him and using you're inexperience with DA as an argument against his OPness is laughable.

Reply #19 Top

Quoting lifekatana, reply 18
nomilarac oh cmon. We had this debate, and you can't seriously claim that DA is weaker than TB. This is bull.

 

You suck with him and using you're inexperience with DA as an argument against his OPness is laughable.
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XO  :rofl:  .................................o_O ........................:zzz:

Added: Seriously, what's laughlable is you keep trying to deauthorize my arguments cos i sucked at DA the FIRST TIME EVER i played him, with the bad luck of having u as a teammate }:) .

Stop it man, grow up already :| .

Reply #20 Top

Quoting nomilarac, reply 17
I haven't seen the replay, but I gotta say DA is not only useless in any actual competitive game, but also underpowered compared to any other Demigod as of 1.2 patch.

Not by much, but definitely worse than all other demigods, and any serious DG player should have realized it by now. I have stated the reasons already in other threads so i'm not retyping them here.
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link or it never happen.

Reply #21 Top

Quoting synnworld, reply 20



Quoting nomilarac,
reply 17
I haven't seen the replay, but I gotta say DA is not only useless in any actual competitive game, but also underpowered compared to any other Demigod as of 1.2 patch.

Not by much, but definitely worse than all other demigods, and any serious DG player should have realized it by now. I have stated the reasons already in other threads so i'm not retyping them here.

link or it never happen.

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o_O  .... link? to what? ..... never happened ..... what? :maybe:

Reply #22 Top

Quoting nomilarac, reply 21

 .... link? to what? ..... never happened ..... what?
End of nomilarac's quote

If you won't retype your arguments, then give us links to the threads where you already posted them.

Reply #24 Top

I haven't even watched the replay, but I can tell you FourKingHigh is NOT good.

Reply #25 Top

LOL shade