Yeah Tenet is right.

 

Warskull would like to continue playing the game. Even though he raged about the game mechanics, he still likes the game itself.

Why? So he can belittle Stardock's efforts some more? So he can moan and cry about how he can't play 5v5? Go back to IRC and tell him he got the better cut.

Hell, even EA Games or Activision Blizzard can and will ban people like WarSkullX. They won't lose shares from banning one guy. Hell, EA cheats all their fans out of their money, what do they get? They get to be the biggest game developer/publisher around. Yay.

 

 

 

 

 

I understand that. But we are talking about two people. not "so many people". The thread ttile is misleading, and looks to have been titled as such on purpose (to create drama).

ZehDon, I was a moderator at PremStaff, Premier League (4v4), in an old game called Subspace (Continuum client). We were 100% volunteers, putting our hours into running a league with hundreds of participants and dozens of clans.

We had absolutely zero tolerance policy towards referee abuse, racial slurs, and harrassment - in a community filled with a veriety of rebellious individuals as PvPers tend to be.

The worst case scenario for Warskull's comment would be deletion of the post from the forum, and a PM with a warning to tone down future criticism and remain constructive.

Someone committing a bannable offense would get recorded with a temporary ban of a few days to a month, depending on the severity of the infraction.

What Warskull got was a lifetime network-wide ban from SD/GPG. To get that from PremStaff someone would have to be a destructive individual with a long history of infractions, disturbances, harrassment, racial slurs or cheating in ranked matches. It would be nearly impossible to get that kind of punishment from first offense - unless it was a DDoS attack on the server (happened once).

This is why I consider the situation absurd, ask anyone reading this to just stop for a moment and try to comprehend the situation fully before passing judgement.

He wants his account restored so that he can keep playing with his friends in the tournament, and continue supporting future Stardock/GPG products.

 

 

The "people" was the subject in WarhawkX post. Now we've learn that who ever "the "people" Warhawkx was referring to in his post didn't included him. He didn't want a refund, the people obviously did though. Now we need to figure out who is the "people"?

Warskull also out right told people who have been laboring 90 hour work weeks since launch that their efforts were a "train wreck"

It's really a simple life lesson. Insults and tantrums do not solve problems.

 

 

What you don't realize is that you aren't back at PremStaff anymore. While I honor and respect your service, you fail to realize that this is StarDock's realm, and they can ban whoever the heck they want for whatever reason they want. This is their forum, and they are regulating it. While you would have been more lenient on someone like WarSkullX, you must also factor in the fact that there are plenty of other forums or moderators who would have banned him and left him without a refund.

no one is arguing legal rights or whatever.

people are arguing that what was done was wrong.  they are two different things.

also, we've had enough of people coming in this thread and stating the painfully obvious without reading at least a couple pages of the thread.  everything your longwinded crap post pointed out has been said ad naseum and really isn't relevant to begin with.

People don't get a death sentence for a misdemeanor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor

as seen by the reason for this thread and how many of us view warskull's banning: a possible tantrum on the part of an employee.

and stop referencing other moderators and companies as being harsher.  the treatmeant of warskull is probably the harshest treatment i've seen from a mainstream company.

just about every single game company i've run into (1) doesn't ban in-game accounts for forum behavior unless said behavior is extremely offensive (racism, sexual harassment, illegal content, etc), (2) doesn't hand out permanent bans even on forums unless the poster has a bad track record or breaks the most important forum rules

chaosnaska is a different story.  he even said he wanted a refund, and he trolled a lot (refund + forum ban).  warskull made ONE post that SD disagreed with, and he was given a straight up ban with a silly emoticon.

This thread was not meant to start drama. It's a discussion over what is and is not ban worthy.

 

Really if you look back through the posts it's obvious who started the drama. And it wasn't those who originally posted about the ban being illegitimate. 

That is because usually the moderators of the other game forums usually are volunteers who are not employed by the comapny. Also, not handing out permanent bans on forums is just a way to keep the guy buying games from the company. Stardock, in this case, doesn't care about that one person who obviously hates them gets banned.

He fricken insulted the very people who are moderating this forum. Not even indirectly, he blatantly belittled all their efforts. So do you expect Stardock to be your slaves, and take every insult from you while tirelessly working on your behalf?



OMGOMGOMGWHOCOULDITBE????

i don't have much experience with EA multiplayer, because i don't typically buy their games

blizzard does not ban in-game accounts + forum accounts for stuff like warskull's post.  it's a complaint post with no vulgarity, and they mostly seem to shrug  those kinds of posts off or give the poster an infraction of some sort.  could blizzard ban people with all their money?  yeah, they could, but then they wouldn't be the same company that i've shelled money out to for providing a good service.

 

I should have expanded on that statement I made, but I did not because I hate analogies, but I myself, having lived life and learned a few things, know that you don't abuse and mistreat people when you are trying to solve a problem.

If your cable goes out, it might piss you off, but you don't go cursing out the poor operator answering your call and transferring you to tech support (nor do you curse out tech support). It's just part of being an adult. I could say people need to grow up, but I don't want to make it seem insulting.

Maybe the ban was harsh, but you should not go around poking the bull with a stick.

 

i don't expect stardock to take abuse, but i don't expect any company to ban people from the game entirely for a complaint post, especially when many of the complaints are shared by the community.  the problem could have been solved by just telling him to stop being insulting or infracting him.  not everyone is going to behave well 100%.  the last step should be banning someone entirely, not the first.

 

90 hour work weeks can also lead to poor judgement.

 

 

amen

RE: vindKtiv:

Please stop your slander, Warskull doesn't "obviously hate" Stardock, he posted and voiced a lot of positive opinions over the past few months and even in our most recent conversations. He has a history of being constructive and supporting both Demigod and SD/GPG in our PvP community.

I suspect you don't actually disagree, and based on the lack of maturity in your replies must conclude that you are merely trolling this thread on a power trip, since you think your behavior can get it closed and get a lot of people disappointed.

If you think such actions somehow assist Stardock you are greatly mistaken, I doubt they find your behavior desirable or acceptable.

 

vind thinks people should be banned for trolling, but hes trolling

lawl

Still going through the rest, but I had to reply to this....


Flaming, Trolling, Negative Critism is all part of a release....

I think everyone can admit this game was sent out unfinished, much like 95% of other games. The issue I have with this game is that it is strictly a MPlayer based game, yes it has bots for SP, but itd be like playing Battlefield for its SP...

The game is having issues, and personally I wish I held onto my money before I bought this, and would of had I known the issues involved with MPlayer.

Now I didn't get a 50% coupon, and I wont offer it to anyone unless they want to buy it for 50% of its value. I wont offer this ocupon to my friends, since well Im still left in the boat of people who paid full price for a game with many issues...

I understand the devs are working hard, and IMO they should be... now any issues they have should be taken with management and the guys who wanted to push the game out the door before it was solid. Taking out their frustration by banning unhappy customers IMO is complete BS. Although I have nothing wrong against banning/removal of those who just spew anger in no good way, but others who sound like they've been banned for constructive critism is 100% wrong.

Now I hate fanboys... I hate people that take the devs side... If this were any other product in the world other then a video game everyone would ask for a refund if such a majority feature of the product was 75% unreliable. This is true no?

Also to add on, a lot of you are saying SD can do whatever they want...

This is true as they are a company and unless advertised on the box, which I dont care to look at ATM, the forum is just an added thing for people to talk and such.

Im not 100% sure if the banned people are just forum banned or 100% banned in game also, but if its just forum, then its SD's 100% right to ban as I dont know 100% of any laws protecting forum users.


As for banning CD-Keys and such... well this is a bit different, since most countries have consumer protection laws. MPlayer is a feature of a game, such as shuffle is for an ipod or reclining is for a recliner chair.

If the MPlayer feature is broken, or has problems, then the product could be said to be defective or non-working as promised/assumed. Its my belief that a refund should be granted to those that want one. Now I dont know how far it would last if you kept playing a game, and then asked for a refund... games are tricky as they keep trying to fix them, but still for many its unworking as assumed/promised...

I wasn't arguing Legal rights or the morality of the situation. If you had of understood my post you'd have realised that my statement was simple: This is Stardock's world. We play by Stardock's rules. Argue all you like, the fact of the matter is they are able to do whatever they like. If they were being jerks, I wouldn't be here. They're not. They're using the advantages of their business model to run a forum that finally doesn't take the crap of people who like to spew hatred and non-constructive critism all over the internet and have caused myself to leave several communities, and I welcome the change with open arms.

This isn't any other forum or any other community - this is Stardock's. The rules of other communities don't always apply here. As has already been demonstrated.

 

THAT is bannable? Are you expecting something different?

I bought this game a month ago and STILL can't regularly play it.

Lets play a game. You, kryo, take your significant other to a restaurant. It is REALLY busy. You order soup and a salad. Your soup comes, but no salad. So you wait, and wait, and wait and wait. You complain and get told "We are trying REALLY hard". And as you look at all the employees running around busy doing stuff, you can't help but feel frustrated that nothing they seem to be doing is helping YOU.

So what do you do? How can you possible have any shred of a hope of affecting change at this restaurant. The ONLY thing you can do is complain as loudly as you can to anyone who will listen and hope they will complain to their boss and on to their boss and hopefully to some person who has the power to say “This will NEVER happen again”.

I hate to break it to you (Stardock and Gas Powered Games) but I don't care how many hours of overtime you are putting in. You are fixing your own mistakes. I have a job too. Some times something gets screwed up at some level of the company and we are forced to go into panic mode. Whether or not you directly caused the chaos that has resulted in releasing a defective product (basically void of half its content) doesn't matter, because, just like the restaurant, you have an obligation to your customers.

Can an artist release a cd with half of the songs missing, promising that he is spending hours in the studio to finish the others and that they will be available for download, soon? Why is that electronic media any different from this one?

Don't ban your critics. It makes you look weak, lowers your customer base, and makes for one less person for me to beat to death as Rook.

It's certainly Stardock's decision whether to reverse the ban or not, were merely debating opinions about it.

People keep talking about "hatered and non-constructive criticism" without providing specific examples. That one post supports the accusation of one misdemeanor, one infraction, and does not show any history of abusive behavior from WarskullX. Provide proof or your words are mere slander.

You should realize that Stardock isn't living in a vacuum and that it's absolute power must always be used with restraint.

To conclude:

Lao Tze on Execution:

If people were not afraid of death,
Then what would be the use of an executioner?

If people were only afraid of death,
And you executed everyone who did not obey,
No one would dare to disobey you.
Then what would be the use of an executioner?

People fear death because death is an instrument of fate.

When people are killed by execution rather than by fate,

This is like carving wood in the place of a carpenter.

Those who carve wood in place of a carpenter

Often injure their hands.