how determine what RAM in PC

desktop-considering new GTX card

EDIT specy report:

Operating System
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
    Intel Core i7 960 @ 3.20GHz    75 °C 
    Bloomfield 45nm Technology
RAM
    12.0GB Triple-Channel DDR3 @ 534MHz (8-8-8-20)
Motherboard
    ASUSTeK Computer INC. SABERTOOTH X58 (LGA1366)    56 °C
Graphics
    VG248 (1920x1080@60Hz)
    2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 (EVGA)    51 °C
Storage
    465GB Western Digital WDC WD50 02AALX-00J37A0 SCSI Disk Device (SATA)    46 °C
    1863GB Western Digital WDC WD20 02FAEX-007BA0 SCSI Disk Device (SATA)    48 °C
Optical Drives
    ATAPI iHAS524 B
Audio
    NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device (Wave Extensible) (WDM)

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Is there a way to determine what RAM is unstalled in desktop PC without physically opening case, etc? If so, how? 

I'm looking to play Witcher3 GOTY.  I remember trying to play the base game a while back and getting terrible (to the point of unplayable) lag, and quitting (on to FO4).  Several sites say my sys regs are Ok, but RAM is [probable] weak point.  I'm also considering upgrading to newer GTX card - main positive is getting 4GB of video ram.  Any quality/helpful suggestions?  :)  Thx.

///  System Information   ///
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Time of this report: 12/19/2015, 18:31:09  ///no changes sice this date ///
       Machine name: ...
   Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601)
Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.151019-1254)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
       System Model: System Product Name
               BIOS: BIOS Date: 03/01/11 11:20:48 Ver: 08.00.15
          Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         960  @ 3.20GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
             Memory: 12288MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 12280MB RAM
          Page File: 2705MB used, 21850MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
   User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
 System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
    DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
     DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode

Display Devices
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          Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670   <---------------
       Manufacturer: NVIDIA
          Chip type: GeForce GTX 670
           DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
         Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1189&SUBSYS_26783842&REV_A1
     Display Memory: 4038 MB
   Dedicated Memory: 1990 MB
      Shared Memory: 2048 MB
       Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
       Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
      Monitor Model: VG248
         Monitor Id: ACI24A5
        Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
        Output Type: HDMI
        Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver File Version: 10.18.0013.5891 (English)
     Driver Version: 10.18.13.5891
        DDI Version: 11
       Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
  Driver Attributes: Final Retail
   Driver Date/Size: 11/5/2015 12:13:38, 15717864 bytes
        WHQL Logo'd: n/a
    WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
  Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-52C9-11CF-F14C-75061CC2C735}
          Vendor ID: 0x10DE
          Device ID: 0x1189
          SubSys ID: 0x26783842
        Revision ID: 0x00A1
 Driver Strong Name: oem20.inf:NVIDIA_Devices.NTamd64.6.1:Section032:10.18.13.5891:pci\ven_10de&dev_1189
     Rank Of Driver: 00E62001

...

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EVR Power Information
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Current Setting: ... (Quality)
  Quality Flags: 2576
    Enabled:
    Force throttling
    Allow half deinterlace
    Allow scaling
    Decode Power Usage: 100
  Balanced Flags: 1424
    Enabled:
    Force throttling
    Allow batching
    Force half deinterlace
    Force scaling
    Decode Power Usage: 50
  PowerFlags: 1424
    Enabled:
    Force throttling
    Allow batching
    Force half deinterlace
    Force scaling
    Decode Power Usage: 0

///end sys info ///

 

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Reply #1 Top

You have twelve gigs of RAM. You could do a search on the internet using your computer module to find out if you use fourth gen ram. Also your motherboard manual might help. You might read any specs on the computer. Haven't tried you might try bios to check.

Reply #2 Top

 


Is there a way to determine what RAM is unstalled in desktop PC without physically opening case, etc? If so, how? 

You can use Speccy for all your computers specs ( https://www.piriform.com/speccy ).

Or, you can use Device Manager in W7... http://pcsupport.about.com/od/termsd/p/devicemanager.htm

 

Reply #3 Top

I've highlighted your System memory and Display memory (Graphics Card) on your post.

Most games will list minimum graphics cards that will work. Yours is - Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 

Reply #4 Top

other info tools similar to speccy

cpu-z    (covers other hardware bits too)

gpu-z    (this actually only does what the name says XD)

Reply #5 Top

silly me, I was inprecise.  I meant >what type of ram<  is installed, what type of ram cards, or whateve they are. 

answer =

12.0GB Triple-Channel DDR3 @ 534MHz (8-8-8-20)

Reply #6 Top

ignore  EDIT: this means you, Seth!

Reply #7 Top

Umm...which ignore should we ignore, Elana? ;)

Reply #8 Top

your choice ...  door one, door two ...

   and I will attempt to understand the relative merits of -> 12.0GB Triple-Channel DDR3 @ 534MHz.

been reading about it at Tom's hardware, and google-ing.  Very confusing.  Double, triple, quad channel faster?  Depends on MOBO, but info on my MOBO not say. Oye.  I will leave it be and hope for the best.

Reply #9 Top

Your motherboard is triple channel.  It has six slots and supports 24GB.  There isn't any 534Mhz ram though, DDR is x2, you're running 1066, you should be able to run up to 1866 on that board, which would be much faster.  This only has a minor impact on the performance you'll get though.  Things are limited by storage typically, or processing, so you'd gain responsiveness from an upgrade, but nowhere near the difference in the speed of the ram.

 

Dual, triple and quad channel are chipset specific.  More is better, but it's entirely dependent on your system which you use.

Reply #10 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 9

Your motherboard is triple channel.  It has six slots and supports 24GB.  There isn't any 534Mhz ram though, DDR is x2, you're running 1066, you should be able to run up to 1866 on that board, which would be much faster.  This only has a minor impact on the performance you'll get though.  Things are limited by storage typically, or processing, so you'd gain responsiveness from an upgrade, but nowhere near the difference in the speed of the ram.

 

Dual, triple and quad channel are chipset specific.  More is better, but it's entirely dependent on your system which you use.

You seem to know your stuff in this area.  Appreciate help w/ id ing MoBo etc.  Puzzled: 

specy says:  RAM
    12.0GB Triple-Channel DDR3 @ 534MHz (8-8-8-20)  what am i missing?

EDIT:  so "DDR" = x2, while the "3" indicates x3, and both cannot be true at same time, so specy report (on this data point) is nonsense.  HAve I understood correctly? 

Reply #11 Top

DDR is double data rate.  It's like an engine firing twice per revolution, versus once.  It processes on the rising and falling edges of the signal.  Speccy doesn't correct for this for some reason, and shows it the same as it would if it were SDRam from the late 90's.

Reply #12 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 11

DDR is double data rate.  It's like an engine firing twice per revolution, versus once.  It processes on the rising and falling edges of the signal.  Speccy doesn't correct for this for some reason, and shows it the same as it would if it were SDRam from the late 90's.

It gets a bit lost with DDR4 too....calls it 'unknown' ...;)

Reply #13 Top

if you want to know what hardware is build into the system next time, i can recommend AIDA64
you wont need to open the rig up, since it will list every component inside with detailed information, such as manufacturer. 

https://www.aida64.com/downloads
AIDA64 Extreme ... trial 
But should suffice to identify the manufacturer of the Motherboard and the RAM.

Looking at the systeminfo, I would say that the issue you encountered before is either related to the Graphics card driver, if that date stamp is still valid due to the log of 2015.
Or the Graphics card itself since it isnt fast. (in other words outdated, since it had it's launch in Mai 2012)

Check your drivers and see if there are any updates available over at www.nvidia.com
go to drivers and choose:
product type geforce
Product Series : 600 Series
Product GTX670
OS: WIn7 64bit

download
launch the driver update 
Install with advanced settings
and choose clean install and select everything in the box
restart the system afterwards.


 

 

Reply #14 Top

Minimum requirements:

OS: 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 (8.1). DirectX 11 is necessary to run the game.
Processor: Intel CPU Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz, AMD CPU Phenom II X4 940
Finding a Gaming CPUs performance chart and comparing one’s CPU with our minimum is suggested.
Graphics: Nvidia GPU GeForce GTX 660 or AMD GPU Radeon HD 7870
Please mind that we only officially support full-size desktop graphics cards. Finding a graphics card performance hierarchy chart online and comparing one’s video card with our minimum is suggested.
RAM: 6GB
Disk space: 40 GB
 
did you try lowering the quality or something? think you might just about meet min req on the cpu.
Reply #15 Top

Quoting alaknebs, reply 14

did you try lowering the quality or something? think you might just about meet min req on the cpu.



6 vs 4 cores 
single core speed is higher on the i5 
while on multi core processes the i5 gets destroyed by the i7  


http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/450/Intel_Core_i5_i5-2500K_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-960.html

 

Reply #16 Top

Quoting benmanns, reply 15

Quoting alaknebs,
reply 14
did you try lowering the quality or something? think you might just about meet min req on the cpu.

6 vs 4 cores 
single core speed is higher on the i5 
while on multi core processes the i5 gets destroyed by the i7 

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/450/Intel_Core_i5_i5-2500K_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-960.html

EDIT:  so "DDR" = x2, while the "3" indicates x3, and both cannot be true at same time, so specy report (on this data point) is nonsense.  HAve I understood correctly?

I have all the cores set to work full time, and not rest as in default windows settings. Yes, I lowered settings. 

@alaknebs  When I go to test sites (re: running Witcher 3) they show OK to run on higher settings (scale 1-10, run 8ish OK).  i7, gtx 670FTW.  You suggest I get a better GTX card.  When I compare them, Bing/google  -> 'gtx 670 vs gtx ###' none of them show any significant increase.  How am I misunderstanding?

as far as upgrading the drivers, there is a lot of comments about the more recent GTX divers nerfing, they seem to be rushed out without enough testing.  I'm not interested in using my sys to 'test' the newer drivers.  Your understanding?

 

OK, QUESTION>  based on my sys regs, what GTX card would you recommend I get to do Witcher 3 on ultra settings? 

Reply #17 Top

none of the whql drivers are rushed out, most of them are dedicated to recent game releases therefore its always wise to have the old one as backup if you plan to overwrite the otherone. The drivers not rated whql are the beta ones that are rushed out as hotfixes.

As far as what the GTX670FTW concerns 
Lets say you intent to buy a newer model like the gtx 970 the vanilla version with stock cooling unit.
The difference here is that the 970 has a higher core speed and also has the benefit of boost clock
The card would be about 35% faster than your current one.
it also can run DSR -. Dynamic super resolutions. technically 4k with bad FPS :D
BUT I DONT RECOMMEND TO BUY THIS CARD
I run one myself currently and plan to ditch it since 4GB are not covering recent game demands for Ultra Settings.

About the RAM nothing has drastically changed when it comes to DDR4 however you can now have bigger modules with the same latencys 
Same goes for ddr2 vs ddr3 what changed is the Mhz they keep improving on each new version.
So each version technically has the ability to transfer data for I/O at faster speeds of its memory cells and through that enabling faster bus speeds.
The thing is that if you pick faster memory than your cpu and board can handle you need to start clocking to get the performance out of it, otherwise the Mhz will be lowered so that the CPU can handle them.

After reading your info once again im a little concerned about your temps.
YOu write that the processor runs at 75 degrees celcius - is that idle or under load?
What kind of cpu coller do you use?

I ask this since if those temps are messured while idle its no wonder that it will perform horrible when gaming.

All i was saying that the best investment to push the time to buy a newer system further out would be a gfx card, but after reading those temperatures i need to make sure that the cpu isnt overheating first.
Since that could be the issue.

Running the witcher on high settings :

Recommended requirements:

OS: 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 (8.1). DirectX 11 is necessary to run the game.
Processor: Intel CPU Core i7 3770 3,4 GHz, AMD CPU AMD FX-8350 4 GHz
Graphics: Nvidia GPU GeForce GTX 770 or AMD GPU Radeon R9 290
RAM: 6GB
Disk space: 40 GB

straight from cdproject site-

note that these are recommended settings - this does not mean ULTRA! more likely high.

My last PC  
CPU:  i7 2600k
8GB DD3 1600mhz with decent latencys
GTX 670 Strix
was able to run high settings with some settings on ultra with no AA about 45 FPS dipping while testing witcher3 .

What card would i recommend- totally depends on the budget i normally dont recommend to invest to much into old hardware as bad as this might sound.
When you game a lot and intent to play recent titles in the near future, i would recommend getting a new Mboard a newer cpu a decent well circulated tower good cpu cooler and a nice solid PSU and some RAM for the start- if there is enough budget left buy a recently released graphics card so that it will hold you 2-3 years on ULTRA settings.
Reply #18 Top

Quoting benmanns, reply 17
   ...

All i was saying that the best investment to push the time to buy a newer system further out would be a gfx card, but after reading those temperatures i need to make sure that the cpu isnt overheating first.  Since that could be the issue...

When you game a lot and intent to play recent titles in the near future, i would recommend getting a new Mboard a newer cpu a decent well circulated tower good cpu cooler and a nice solid PSU and some RAM for the start- if there is enough budget left buy a recently released graphics card so that it will hold you 2-3 years on ULTRA settings.  
 
Its a gold power supply, as I recall, gold 500.  Basically, you are saying,
 
current rig, check on actual cooling. (a year ao I had had issues, but blowing out the dust, regularially, as i do, has tamed that beast.)
current rig not sufficient for near future games.
 
However:
 
get a newer, 'better' mother board, AND a bettter CPU that the i7@3.2GHz
get better RAM.
get better GTX card, but not the 970.
get more robust cooling.
NOT mentioned, but important, have/get better power supply?
 
replace current components with items on preceeding 'get' list. Place in the PC tower and hook up current HDs, DVD drive, then power, and hope win 7 (on boot drive) is happy with newer hardwear. Yes.  What Did I miss?  :)
Reply #19 Top

EDIT:  so "DDR" = x2, while the "3" indicates x3, and both cannot be true at same time, so specy report (on this data point) is nonsense.  HAve I understood correctly?


DDR is Double Data Rate, DDR3 is third generation DDR.  Not a math function, just a version number.  Speccy is completely accurate, it's just not "smart" for "dumb" people, which is actually kind of nice since so much of that stuff causes people grief...


They're actually lying when they call the stuff 1066Mhz ram, it's accurately 533Mhz double pump ram, a matter of salesmanship versus ignorance of the masses, many of whom are incapable of even finding such information, let alone knowing what it means.  For us nerds who live for this stuff, it's just a quirk of the software that we take note of.

Reply #20 Top

Quoting ElanaAhova, reply 18

current rig, check on actual cooling. (a year ao I had had issues, but blowing out the dust, regularially, as i do, has tamed that beast.)
current rig not sufficient for near future games.

Yes i would clear out dust, if that would not help i would renew the thermal paste for the cpu. 
Yes. If you plan to play tripple A titles on max (Ultra settings)
Quoting ElanaAhova, reply 18

NOT mentioned, but important, have/get better power supply?

I did 
Quoting benmanns, reply 17

well circulated tower good cpu cooler and a nice solid PSU - Power Supply Unit

Reply #21 Top

The confusion could be between clock, and bus speed. In this case clock speed is more important. If the ram is ddr3s that is important. The only speed you need to know when buying is clock, not bus speed. Clocks haven't ran at 533 in a long time. I doubt ddr3s ever ran at that. My guess 533 is the bus. If that's true then the clock is a lot faster. You need to know the clock, and be sure they are ddr3s. This is really important. Never had a solid state drive before it makes a huge difference. Do you have a laptop. Some i7 laptops are duel core. Check power settings. By default all computers are set to balanced, change this to high performance.

 As far as cooling they recommend radiator. Unless this is not your specialty then they recommend fans.

Reply #22 Top

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 21

The confusion could be between clock, and bus speed. In this case clock speed is more important. If the ram is ddr3s that is important. The only speed you need to know when buying is clock, not bus speed. Clocks haven't ran at 533 in a long time. I doubt ddr3s ever ran at that. My guess 533 is the bus. If that's true then the clock is a lot faster. You need to know the clock, and be sure they are ddr3s. This is really important. Never had a solid state drive before it makes a huge difference. Do you have a laptop. Some i7 laptops are duel core. Check power settings. By default all computers are set to balanced, change this to high performance.

 As far as cooling they recommend radiator. Unless this is not your specialty then they recommend fans.

quad core.  aready set for high - did that along time ago. 

Reply #23 Top

i didn't recommend anything XD i just quoted the min sys req of that game from their site (quick google. i don't have that game, didn't read details). which seems to suggest the gfx card is above the min sys req

what does the min mean? maybe not high settings. which is why i asked if you tried lowering settings (say.. to low or medium or something)

as for cpu comparison. i don't really know anything about it. i did a quick google and saw the benchmark graphs in below site before i mentioned it might be not quite up to the min req. no idea if it's accurate or not.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-960-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2500K

note they are both quad core.. though the 960 has 8 threads rather than 4. i have no idea what the data in that other site mentioned really means as there's no benchmark. just a bunch of feature comparison.

as for drivers. new ones come out all the time.. but i personally haven't gone beyond 362.00 yet (i have a 970) due to supposed issues for certain people in the last few months.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/50b4gp/driver_37270_faqdiscussion_thread/

the 970 has issues with its ram being 3.5+0.5 rather than 4. how much does that matter? no idea. the 10X0 series obviously better though more expensive (even 1060)

Reply #24 Top

You asked about cpu temp.  I just watched a few episodes of Orphan Black, (video streaming)and then ran speecy.  Core was 90 and red.  Its been decreasing since I stopped the video streaming.  Seems to 'rest' at 66-70 (orange).  When I run speecy, it jumps back up to 74, and then slowly decreases.  I think this means the cpu is running too hot, doesn't it. 

Reply #25 Top

 

Quoting ElanaAhova, reply 24

Core was 90 and red
  Yowweeeeee,  Your temps are WAY too high.

The full-load temperature on correctly functioning processors will be less than the CPU's maximum operating temperature. The Intel Core i7-4765T and i7-920 CPUs both have maximum operating temperatures of 66 and 68 degrees Celsius, respectively (150 and 154 Fahrenheit).
 
 
 They normally average around 40 to 45c.

What probably happen is that when the HSF was installed, it was either not installed fully like some of the push pins are not pushed all the way though causing the HSF not to be flush with the cpu or the HSF was taken off and put back on without placing new thermal compound.


What i recommend doing is:

1. Get some new thermal compound like Arctic Silver 5 (AC5). http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm

2. take off the Heatsink fan (HSF) and clean off the old thermal compound. you can use something like rubbing alcohol or acetone.

3. follow the directions for applying AC5.

4. place the HSF on

5. Fully push all 4 push pins down.

After that you should be good to go.
 I suspect your cooler is not making full contact with the CPU.  If this is a desktop system, pull the cooler, clean it off, reapply more thermal paste and reseat the cooler making sure it makes full contact. Your game isn't going to run well if your CPU is frying!
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