Forbidden Worlds DLC: Ferrus vers Greenhouse

I was wondering if someone could help me understand the population numbers these planets support.  Not in relation to everything else or anything like that... obviously the numbers are all made up, etc... but rather to each other.

Looking through the plain text files on these planets, I see that Greenhouse planets can support 70 pop, and Ferrus 140.  Additionally, Ferrus has additional research (as Vasari) to increase the supported pop, mentioning it as a "non-organic" habitat.

 

So... can anyone help me understand why these numbers shouldn't have been reversed?

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While, the Greenhouse planet seems to be somewhat inspired by Venus. Have you ever been to Venus? No other planet has as many different ways to kill you.  ;)

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I don't know if I'd consider Venus a Greenhouse.  Or maybe they should've used a different name?  When I see the term Greenhouse, I think of something similar to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse.  As such, the image that is brought more to mind is a tropical/jungle like planet.  And while such worlds may still have many ways to kill you, Ferrus worlds are not without their own pitfalls (literally and figuratively), with the added complication of having to import just about everything (especially food).

And I need to edit my numbers from the OP... it's 140 pop, not 190 on Ferrus worlds.

 

EDIT: And sorry, just to add in this comparison/contrast as well: the difference between a Ferrus and Barren world shouldn't be much... the Ferrus one should just have a much higher metal/iron content to it.  Barren worlds are pop 90.

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Quoting furyofthestars, reply 2
I don't know if I'd consider Venus a Greenhouse.  Or maybe they should've used a different name?

Venus is sometimes called the Greenhouse planet because its atmosphere is over 90% Carbon Dioxide, hence it has the strongest Greenhouse effect we know of. It is also why it is the hottest planet in the Solar System.

I don't think the name is so much a problem as the texture. The fact that it is not Green and filled with planets makes it pretty clear to me that they're referring to the Greenhouse effect, but there should probably be some clouds on it (Venus' clouds are actually sulfur but that's what people will think of) and look a bit more desolate.

Quoting furyofthestars, reply 2
And sorry, just to add in this comparison/contrast as well: the difference between a Ferrus and Barren world shouldn't be much... the Ferrus one should just have a much higher metal/iron content to it.  Barren worlds are pop 90.

That may not be the only consideration. A Ferrous planet would be a much more wealthy planet, hence it could afford more imports of food and supplies and would attract more investment than a simple barren world, even if they were equally inhospitable.

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Quoting GoaFan77, reply 3
Venus is sometimes called the Greenhouse planet because its atmosphere is over 90% Carbon Dioxide, hence it has the strongest Greenhouse effect we know of. It is also why it is the hottest planet in the Solar System.

Ahh, ok.  That makes sense, I suppose.

Quoting GoaFan77, reply 3
I don't think the name is so much a problem as the texture. The fact that it is not Green and filled with planets makes it pretty clear to me that they're referring to the Greenhouse effect, but there should probably be some clouds on it (Venus' clouds are actually sulfur but that's what people will think of) and look a bit more desolate.

I would certainly say the texture is the problem, because that looks pretty green to me.

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I think Greenhouse in this game means Jungle Planet.

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Quoting furyofthestars, reply 4
I would certainly say the texture is the problem, because that looks pretty green to me.

I know, but the rest of the planet looks uninhabitable.

Quoting MayallCommunion, reply 5
I think Greenhouse in this game means Jungle Planet.

Then why is 75% of its surface devoid of any life?

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Even the concept of Jungle Planet can mean a lower population than Ferrus. Jungle areas usually are not human friendly and have very thick and lush jungles that don't allow much in the way of population centers. Vice versa, Ferrus would be very open with plenty of construction materials for population centers.

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Quoting furyofthestars, reply 4
I would certainly say the texture is the problem, because that looks pretty green to me.

There are greenish igneous rocks.. I don't really think those are forests.

Quoting MayallCommunion, reply 5
I think Greenhouse in this game means Jungle Planet.

Then where are the jungles? :D All I see is barren deserts and lifeless places everywhere.

Quoting GoaFan77, reply 6
Then why is 75% of its surface devoid of any life?

I think 100%. Those greenish surfaces are igneous surface rocks, young lava plateaus or something but not forests..

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Quoting Ryat, reply 7
Even the concept of Jungle Planet can mean a lower population than Ferrus.

I don't share your view on this. A jungle planet would mean an easily habitable surface unless the Ferrus one.. With oxygen, plants, life and stuff.. I think around 170-240 population would be a credible population for a jungle world while the current 140 is a bit high for a Ferrus one.

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Turchany is right. That texture certainly does not really invoke any images of lush environment to me, too much yellow/brown and not enough green/blue. 

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Quoting Turchany, reply 9


Quoting Ryat, reply 7Even the concept of Jungle Planet can mean a lower population than Ferrus.

I don't share your view on this. A jungle planet would mean an easily habitable surface unless the Ferrus one.. With oxygen, plants, life and stuff.. I think around 170-240 population would be a credible population for a jungle world while the current 140 is a bit high for a Ferrus one.

A death jungle concept if you will. A little Warhammer 40k lore as jungle planets had all sorts of nasty predators that kept the human population under control. But to each his own.

 

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Well, mind you guys that when I said it looks pretty green to me and that I envision more tropical/jungle environments, I'm not thinking of something like what-ever-that-planet-was-called (Pandora?) from the movie Avatar.  Please understand, I'm not asking why the Greenhouse pop isn't closer to that of Terran... I'm just thinking that it'd make more sense (with the way I'm looking at it) to have the numbers between Greenhouse and Ferrus swapped.

But given the "distance" from the planet with the screenie (and the obvious not perfect representation/quality graphics), it's hard for me (personally) to say those are green "igneous surface rocks" and not hills/mountains poking up from everything else with vegetation of some sort on it.  And actually, depending on the camera angle, etc, there are areas of that greenish/white that give way to pale blue.

The way I view a Ferrus world, is that it isn't much different from that of a Barren world, just a much higher metal content in it (like, 75%+).  And barren worlds are devoid of everything... including atmosphere (<- I base that, in part, on Advent having research for Barren worlds that mentions adding "specialized atmospheric shields" for increasing the livable area).  But, as Goa pointed out, Ferrus worlds would probably be richer ($), too.

 

Eh, either way, it's definitely nothing that I see as "game breaking" or even a problem... I was just curious.  And from asking here and seeing your responses, I will admit it's starting to make a little bit more sense.

 

EDIT: Oh, and just to put this in there, seems I already made one movie comparison... when I think of a Ferrus world's surface, the image that comes to mind is similar to that of Crematoria in Chronicles of Riddick... only, you know, without the extreme heat. :P

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Quoting furyofthestars, reply 12
But given the "distance" from the planet with the screenie (and the obvious not perfect representation/quality graphics), it's hard for me (personally) to say those are green "igneous surface rocks" and not hills/mountains poking up from everything else with vegetation of some sort on it.  And actually, depending on the camera angle, etc, there are areas of that greenish/white that give way to pale blue.

Honestly I'm not confident about it either, but given the rest of the planet looks like a wasteland I'm more inclined to go with the rocks theory.

That said, while Greenhouse planets have great bombardment resistance and resource extractors, I think they could increase the population on them a little bit. Maybe 90-100 pop.

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Quoting furyofthestars, reply 12
I'm just thinking that it'd make more sense (with the way I'm looking at it) to have the numbers between Greenhouse and Ferrus swapped.

Maybe. But if Greenhouse is really like Venus, higher pop than 70 would be ridiculous.

Quoting GoaFan77, reply 13
That said, while Greenhouse planets have great bombardment resistance and resource extractors, I think they could increase the population on them a little bit. Maybe 90-100 pop.

Would be better I guess, Venus is better than a volcanic planet, though I have never seen any of them so.. :D Just a guess.

Quoting Ryat, reply 11
A death jungle concept if you will. A little Warhammer 40k lore as jungle planets had all sorts of nasty predators that kept the human population under control. But to each his own.

OK, but I don't really think a death jungle would cause that much problem with more effort and more advanced technology (not like in the movie Avatar, and Pandora jungle), they could easily tame the environment, and make the planet a semi-terran place. But it's just an opinion.

If you want to interpret it in the game it could have even higher underdevelopment taxes than the ocean world, to say -9 and -3 credits, you need to tame that evil jungle right? But with high population after this.