Advent technological advances in Rebellion

Observations of the Discord Battleship, Eradica and Coronata Titans and the corvettes.

Me loving to go into cinematic mode and observing the ships in the slightest details, I've noticed certain things about the new Advent ships on the battlefield, namely on the Discord Battleship.

The first of these observations is in regards to the Discord's method of propulsion. All capital ships have relatively massive thursters for propulsion, and several of them each, but here comes the Discord with one single tiny little thruster.

How could such a thing provide the acceleration needed to keep up with the other ships? In fact, the Eradica also has relatively small thrusters, and only two of them, while the Coronata has several ( like 6 - 8, I forget, I only played the loyalists twice )

Upon closer inspection I noticed that this thurster does not appear to generate a burning flame, like the other standard thrusters on every other ship do, but rather some smoke-like white emanations which have more in common with the Advent's many telekinetic Psitech abilities.

With this ressemblance, I conclude that the Advent have developped a telekinetic engine, for the sake of lore let's call it a Psitech Drive.

Such a thing would, in theory, either generate its own telekinetic field to propulse the ship in the desired direction, or more realistically, it would feed upon the crew's telekinetic abilities and channel them, amplify them, into thrust. The Discord's abilities are all Psitech abilities, powered through the ship's systems to deal havoc on enemy forces, implying that the crew are all powerful Psintergrats.

The Psitech Drive could be feeding off an infinitely small, subconscious portion of each crew member's telekinetic potential ( The Discord is slightly larger than the Radiance, which has a crew of about 2700, so we can assume around 3000 crew members aboard the Discord, all of which are giving a portion of their power to the drive core ), uniting it and amplifying it into one powerful force to move the ship forwards, whilst giving the command crew the power to control it to direct the ship.

 

The main weakness of such a thing would be the crew itself. If you take considerable casualties to the compliment, the engine will strain the remaining crew members harder in order to produce the same amount of thrust.

However, it is in itself a much smaller piece of equipment than standard ship engines and requires less power to achieve the same results since the crew themselves are what's powering it. This leaves more room and power for other systems, such as weapons, which brings me to my second point.

 

Both Advent Titans, as well as the Discord Battleship and the Corvettes have laser weapons ( ship to ship lasers or point defense ) yet none of them have any actual laser turrets. The lasers just seem to spontaneously thrust out of the hull towards their targets.

All of these ship's hulls also share a common trait, they are lined with a hexagon pattern.

This new kind of hull appears to have the capacity to fire weapons-grade lasers without the need for an actual turret. Let's call it, for the sake of pie, Spontaneous Laser Generation technology. Energy can be transferred through the hull's segments to the point most optimally oriented towards the designated target, at which point the raw energy will be transformed into a laser and fired towards said target.

This technology gives greater coverage than standard turrets by being able to fire at anything in direct line of sight of the SLG hull section, as well as reducing the chances that your laser weapons be disabled because your turrets have been destroyed. The entire hull would need to be destroyed for the lasers to be neutralized.

This marks a great advance in Advent mastery of energy weapons and propulsion.

Sins 2 may bring more of these technologies and do away with the older, obsolete ships which still rely on systems similar to that of the TEC creating greater variety between the two factions.

 

Thoughts?

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Reply #1 Top

No comment on the engines.

As for the hexagonal armor of the titans, I'm assuming that is a new type of armor, but it has nothing to do with the weapons.  The weapons are generated from specific locations, not random parts of a ship.  They are still turrets, they just don't protrude from the hull like others do.  This is an advancement from older ships, but it is certainly not random generation.

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Quoting Volt_Cruelerz, reply 1
No comment on the engines.

As for the hexagonal armor of the titans, I'm assuming that is a new type of armor, but it has nothing to do with the weapons.  The weapons are generated from specific locations, not random parts of a ship.  They are still turrets, they just don't protrude from the hull like others do.  This is an advancement from older ships, but it is certainly not random generation.

 

I'm no coder but would it not have been much more complicated to have the lasers fire from random areas on the armor instead of keeping the same code and having it fire from set locations?

Either way, the spontaneous laser generation theory still stands, only it's fired from set locations on the hull and not anywhere on the hull, AKA no more need for actual turrets like the Radiance has.

I zoomed in and looked for even small holes like the new plasma cannons on the Discord and Eradica but there were no visible signs of weapon emplacements for the lasers.

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Quoting Pat_22_, reply 2

Quoting Volt_Cruelerz, reply 1No comment on the engines.

As for the hexagonal armor of the titans, I'm assuming that is a new type of armor, but it has nothing to do with the weapons.  The weapons are generated from specific locations, not random parts of a ship.  They are still turrets, they just don't protrude from the hull like others do.  This is an advancement from older ships, but it is certainly not random generation.

 

I'm no coder but would it not have been much more complicated to have the lasers fire from random areas on the armor instead of keeping the same code and having it fire from set locations?

Either way, the spontaneous laser generation theory still stands, only it's fired from set locations on the hull and not anywhere on the hull, AKA no more need for actual turrets like the Radiance has.

I zoomed in and looked for even small holes like the new plasma cannons on the Discord and Eradica but there were no visible signs of weapon emplacements for the lasers.

Actually, making them fire randomly probably would have been quite difficult.

And no it doesn't.  It's fired from set locations on the hull such as the "eyes" on the coronata which are just turrets that don't protrude.

Reply #4 Top

I say that the advent have discovered 'interns'. They use their telekinetic powers to drive the ship non-stop, the only limitation being the need for a small exhaust port for the extreme heat being generated from their overworked minds.

There are actually laser turrets, but there are interns stationed near them are adept at illusions which make it appear as though there is no turret

The hexagonal hull pattern helps the interns project a more convincing illusion.

 

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Quoting SithLordAJ, reply 4
I say that the advent have discovered 'interns'. They use their telekinetic powers to drive the ship non-stop, the only limitation being the need for a small exhaust port for the extreme heat being generated from their overworked minds.

There are actually laser turrets, but there are interns stationed near them are adept at illusions which make it appear as though there is no turret

The hexagonal hull pattern helps the interns project a more convincing illusion.
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Reply #6 Top

Quoting Teun-A-Roonius, reply 5
Are you high?

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Reply #7 Top

the lasers are generally (atleast for the discord and coronata) fired from lines/gaps inbetween the armor plates. So you can assume internal turrets are hidden in those gaps/lines. No offense, but especially on the discord this is blatantly obvious.

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Quoting Teun-A-Roonius, reply 5
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Quoting NexiKuro, reply 7
the lasers are generally (atleast for the discord and coronata) fired from lines/gaps inbetween the armor plates. So you can assume internal turrets are hidden in those gaps/lines. No offense, but especially on the discord this is blatantly obvious.

 

Nope, the lasers do not fire only from the gaps, which are actually more like small grooves, in the armor. They are fired from different locations on the flanks of the Discord, some in the grooves and others simply on the armor.

Reply #10 Top

Quoting SithLordAJ, reply 8

Quoting Teun-A-Roonius, reply 5Are you high?
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Reply #11 Top

Quoting Pat_22_, reply 9

Nope, the lasers do not fire only from the gaps, which are actually more like small grooves, in the armor. They are fired from different locations on the flanks of the Discord, some in the grooves and others simply on the armor.

 

are you sure?, it could be its left/right bank is still fireing through it.. I thought this got fixed though. I'll look into it some more then.

EDIT: the discord has a darker area with multiple curved verticle lines/grooves where they come out off, not all of them do it though, they also fire from the rear 3 stripes. the fact that several of the lasers arent correctly placed along the dark side bits seems more likely misplacement rather then intentional though. i think 2 out of the 4 or 5 locations arent grooves (this excluding the 3 rear stripes/grooves, which kind of seem like arrow slits to me).

Some of the the eredicata's Point defense comes from lines along its "legs". These are colored lines, which is kind of weird. but atleast they're not fired from armor plates.

PS: Oh and stardock, fix the eradicata texture bug please? I'd rather not have to find out how to do it myself, but its getting harder not to..

Reply #12 Top

Honestly I'd much rather have it be some sort of new weapons technology than saying "they were too lazy to actually put turrets".

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Quoting Pat_22_, reply 12
Honestly I'd much rather have it be some sort of new weapons technology than saying "they were too lazy to actually put turrets".

If they cant make them rotate.. and they started doing this with their fortress, all of its lasers are in the ring right?

Besides, vasari dont have very pronouced turrets either. And hidden laser bays have a certain amount of class.

Oh, and the side point defenses from the Eradica are fired from a groove/line on its head, the one under its teamcolor bit, teamcolor bit - regular plate - lasers.