Is UBERFIX Occulus a better character than Erebus?

I think the lack of interrupt certainly keeps him just below tier1, but have to agree with you especially late game occ can be extremely nasty. The burst damage is insane - i.e. chain w/ mana drain plus cow fart plus the lightning balls exploding for 400 a pop. Add to that the remove debuffs that uberfix enables is great.

EDIT - just to add - I also think ere belongs in T1 for sure...

occulus is a beast, but no one can play him at a high lvl to his maximum capacity. Also it takes some time to get used to his buggyness like ub.

the major fault is that people fail at lvling with him. the second biggest mistake is how double jump is used. And i don't think more than 5 people know how to lvl his skills right lol

and yes with ueberfix he is tier 1 and can beat a ub easily. imo with a pro occulus you can't lose to giants at all. but people fail at keeping portals.

and the lack of an interrupt keeps him from being OP.

Erb is obviously better from a strategical point of view (late-game map control; unprecedented mobility/damage control). Uberfix Occ, on the other hand, is a total beast tactically (insane AoE damage; great mana/debuff management). Suit yourself, really. If perspective 2 > perspective 1, in your book, feel free to say Occ is T1.

Occulus lvl 5 dmg output when added with a cleanse is amazing,  with monks he can solo a ub and hold his lane.  This is really is biggest weakness besides not having a cc when not using uberfix.  He is one of the better chasers in game also with the fac that u can jump and lightining off towers and he does the most burst in the game.

Its the second time I read this thread today and I am still laughing about the title. Has Jona a better character than Zen_God? Think thats a similar question.

Usually my first question would be: define "better"? In one way I understand what you mean but then I really dont. Depends on the situation, opposing DG, the player that plays the Occ,...

Agree it can hold the lane against an UB. Until mana runs out. I would think mana runs out faster than UBs health. But again depends on the levels, players, situations, ...

Its the second time I read this thread today and I am still laughing about the title. Has Jona a better character than Zen_God? Think thats a similar question.

Your laughing about the title betrays a complete misunderstanding of critical tier evaluation concept. Critical tier evaluation is, essentially, an academic procedure based on analysis of statistically significant data. In other words, Jona vs Zen_God is subjective and speaks of nothing but their relative skill, but analyzing the feedback from 100 players will definitely point us in a direction of a tendency. To deny the significance of this data is to deny the very basics of rational thought, but somehow I see people doing it in every tier-based game...

No, but Uberfix Regulus is better than Uberfix Occulus

Huh?  By better I mean stronger, superior.  Another way to look at it is more valuable to the team: does the burst, creep control, and cleansing power of Uberfix Occulus do more to help your team win than the stuns, armor debuffs and portal pressuring ability of Erebus?  How is that a funny question?  

"Has Jona a better character than Zen God?" IS a funny question because it sounds like you're referring to their moral qualities, not their playing abilities.  If you mean is Jona a better player than zen_god then the answer is no I don't think so, I think it's possible to give a definitive answer to that.  

"Has Jona a better character than Zen God?" IS a funny question because it sounds like you're referring to their moral qualities, not their playing abilities.

Playing ability: Zen > Jona.

Moral qualities: Jona >>>>>>>> Zen.

PS: Yeah, I'm pretty sure Jona's moral qualities rock!

Agreed 

Uber Oculus = tier 1

Jona > Zen_god

no noobs...

Uberfix occ is just shy of tier 1 (but better than rook in that whole tier 1.5 category).  With uberfix on, you can use multiple builds, favor items, etc.  Being able to debuff erb or qot's groundspikes is huge.  If I can't trip you up on the timing, you can pretty much COMPLETELY negate damage spam QoT very easily.  And you can negate spit, etc (and at the same time regain mana).  Sedna can dispell spit [sic] 7.. occ can do it at 5 (side note - dumb balancing imo). 

Erb is still better, but I'd put my money on occ in a 1v1.  That said... erb will probably kill one of your teammates while occ is busy spamming damage... and then bs away or just tp out.  No interrupt = no tier 1. 

Sedna can dispell spit at very late level's.. occ can do it at 5 (side note - dumb balancing imo).

Well, for integrity's sake, Sedna can cleanse the debuff states at 7 (Heal III aka Shane's favorite skill), which is not a very late level, by any standards.

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Without uberfix... he's almost not worth playing with. LAck of cleanse is too much a disadvantage while also lacking stuns.

With uberfix I can hold a lane against sed,oak,rook,ub. I play with them like putty. IMHO using balls early is too mana hungry and disables his push abilities.

Many games I've even pushed a rook or oak off the health yum yum yum.

BTW ZAAAAAAAAP!

and also.... ZAP!@you

PAcov is scared of my OC

Occ's Power is variable depending on Demigod choices of Both teams.

That is to say he can be as dangerous as any of the other Tier 1 DGs based on demigod choices.

eg: Occ with stun and interrupt teammate is ultra dangerous, because you have a setup for the double jump and can block a TP out.

Yet this is less awesome when you can chain stun him to negate his upfront burst damage and block his debuff remover.

So I would say given equally skilled teams, Occ can be better than LE, just not as often as LE is better than Occ.

If we were to compare LE and Occ directly.

Occ does win in one important area over LE, and that is lane control.

If your teammates can hold their flag, Occ can hold his easily by burning mana pots making victory by warscore easier to achieve.

LE wins in all of the Shenanigans categories though. That is to say escaping certain death, ganking, denying tactics, capping flags, being in the worst possible place at the worst possible time etc...