Please increase ICO bandwith

I don't know if it's an issue of bandwidth, the server's CPU, the server's RAM, a router problem, or something else, but I wholeheartedly agree.  The lag on ICO is awful.  I play FPS games and the servers don't have lag problems like this.

maybe try to use ico to get everyone together and have the person with the best upload/download rate host over IP. I play IP all the time with no lag accept late game where it happens in single player as well.

Hamatchi will create a vurtual lan if you play with the same people a lot. Once your all connected through hamatchi, just go to lan in game and you will see the host.

It's hard enough to get 10 players for a 5v5, never mind convincing all of them to download hamachi, find a usable server on hamachi, and then hosting a game.

This isn't such a bad idea, but it would be like herding cats.  In theory there's no reason why we need ICO at all.  If people were a little more proactive we could all just meet up at a series of IRC channels and organize things from there.  We could even use pugbots.  (We could also play on a number of custom maps, use voice comm for pugs, etc.)

If you build it, they will come.

Hamatchi, anyone can run a server, just give out the login ID but I did state this was for regulars playing regulars. Want to stomp on n00bs do it in ICO.

regulars playing regulars? that never happens on ICO

Me and a friend just dropped 40$ each into the game and Expansions, and while online playing we are recieving long lock lags. Figured it was just big fleets or something but really its very smooth otherwise, and now reading this I am kinda upset as it felt more like an Internet/ICO issue... if this is the case, yes, do something...

ICO lag only occurs in lobby, if you lag ingame issue is on your side.

Mecha I'm not 100% sure how ICO is set up but I think ICO can and does lag your game just as it lags the lobby.

I could be wrong about this but given my knowledge and experience; I have come to the conclusion that ICO does cause lag in games being played over it.

Before ALLOY, ICO just allowed players to start a game and all the traffic gets sync with the host.  Theoretically  if the host dropped the game would move to the person below the host but if that person didnt setup to port forward on their router properly then game would just end when the host dropped or left the game.

With ALLOY, ICO syncs the games also.  Therefore if the host drops or leaves, the game doesnt skip a beat and keeps going. The bad thing is if ICO lags the game lags.

I don't believe that.  How do you explain instances where multiple players who are known to have good computers and Internet connections are listed as "lagging"?  If games run independently of ICO then why is it that it's possible to become "Disconnected from Ironclad Online" during a game?  JJ's explanation sounds very plausible to me.

I recall reading some "official" info on how ICO works saying that it's only used to setup game, but it might have been dating back pre-alloy. I was based my post on that info, it might have been wrong though.

My knowledge on internet protocols equals about 0, so all I have are subjective observations, but usually  when ICO lags horribly game itself runs smoothly. So maybe ICO and Alloy have separate servers?

Easiest way to test it is to try the IP way with a group of regulars at least once and see if the lagging persists.  Once that issue is confirmed either way, you might want email Ironclad support or something rather than post it here.  I'd honestly be surprised if any of the devs come to this sub-forum.

ICO is lagging so bad right now that online player count went fromt 60 to 40 in matter of minutes... Ironclad FFS please fix this, atm this looks almost like you're intentionally trying to kill Sins MP. ICO is unplayable right now.

A co-worker & I tried playing online for the first time together last nite.  Utter failure.  He tried hosting, then I tried hosting.  Same results (virtually).  Our systems aren't junk either.  I'm running a quad-core 2.8ghz w/4gigs of DDR3 hi-speed ram, blah, blah, blah.  Plenty of horsepower for this game. He's running something similar.  Our pings were under 60 the whole game but next to it in status it stated: "Lagging" virtually the whole 20-25 minutes we tried to play. 

I thought I read in another post you can ip directly into someone else' machine to play together.  How is this accomplished?  I was under the impression that it was either play through ICO or on a LAN.

Hopefully ICO fixes this & doesn't blame people' computers.  I have no issues with CoD or any other FPS game playing online.  Just ICO.

you just posted the same post in 2 locations. wow.

And, some people have no problems with lag online.

with pings under 60, you shouldnt have lag issues.

most importantly, the "lagging" screen only pops up once, and never again. if it "lags" after that, the game will just pause for a second.

and i just posted 2 things in the same location.  wow. stupid forums.

...and???

Hurray for "some people".  "Some" indicate a minority.  Therefore I am (as are others) in the majority. 

I got nuttin' for this comment other then what the game is telling me.  Pings of <60 with the word "Lagging" next to it.  You tell me since you're "some" people and never lag.  Hurray for you.  You want a cookie?

Never got the "lagging" screen.  The game would just stop for 30-40 seconds (or longer) then continue on.

We're investigating this actively.  By default Alloy is turned on in the Multiplayer Options, can you try turning it off to see what performance is like?  You may have to set your router to open up port 6112 for TCP/UDP.

ICO based lag

1. the lag is global it affects chat, game lobbies, and games being played

2. it does it to everyone at the same time

3. it seems to do it when a game ends and people join the chat lobby after a game; and when there is alot people moving around in game/chat lobbies

4. it can last longer then 30 seconds and possibly results in people being disconnected from ICO

5. I am unsure if turning alloy off bypasses the cause of the lag; however someone told it it doesn't

6. it can lag with less then 20 people online

7. some days are worse then others

I think Master pretty much summed it up.  You can see it simply when you try to look at another player's record.

having Alloy off not only slows the game down because having alloy on increases game speed, but if the host loses or leaves the game will usually end.

Well I'm glad that ICO is actively looking into this and simply not ignoring the issue.  Hopefully they will have it rectified soon so like Pbhead, we can be "some" people with no lag in the game.

As a side note regarding this...I was able to directly IP into my co-worker' machine & play the game with no issue whatsoever.  So that does tell me it was something with ICO, Pbhead. 

Hmm, okay, thanks for the info gang. Everything helps.

It seems as though with alloy off you don't get ICO lag in your games however the game speed seems slower.