A Great Game of Multiplayer

Its good to know that you got a game at least.  I would have had some... choice words for the ones who kicked you from the game were that me.  you may not have many multi games under you belt, but that doesn't mean you're a bad player.

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Unfortunately, the FPS generations wants it NOW.

I defenatly agree with Orodum. I only have 14 MP games under my belt but 2 times ive beaten one guy who has over 200, and a few times ive creamed people who have played over 50 games

I know I'm not the best player on Sins I can accept that, it's the fact me and another player were instantly booted from the lobby after discussion that we were too nooby. Exact words were "get rid of the two nooby players". I don't really care but if it would have happened to say someone who had just purchased and installed Sins they might be put off from playing the game altogether.

I'm not a bad player, I know how to play each phase of the game and the strategy's for each. I don't have the time to sit there and play 400 3 hour games to be on par with the elite clan members. I have college work, part time job and a social life/girlfriend to manage as well as finding time to watch movies listen to music and play on the Xbox 360.

BTW we would have won the the game if one guy didn't beat us to the other system and establish a foothold there forcing us to retreat back to our home system while he ammassed great riches, 10 cap ships, starbases in every gravwell and many virgin women.

It's a shame Sins has had no TV, magazine advertising, I went on Halo PC the other day and found 800 dedicated servers with about 1000 people online, Thats Halo 1 not 2, about 6 years old and still gaining new fans.

Why do you want to prove yourself to clans (or atleast competitive clans)? Why does this impact on whether you play online multiplayer? You do know clans like [DT] and [_] only want to play competitive team-games with feeding-coordination requiring alot of trust in players expierence and skill.

If you really wanted to proove yourself to competitve clan players, then heres some advice. Join average team-games of which completely outnumbers the number hosted by the few clan players who can host. Then play , play , play everyday and get super skilled and micro like a madman and win. Get a record like 150 games 80 wins 15 losses. Then join the small minority of clan hosted games and probably wont get kicked . Infact wed probably add you to friends lists and stuff like that with that sort of record . Now if you dont want to do this , then thats fine but this is what you want to do if you want to join a minority of skilled players.  Dont blame us for multiplayer numbers or "spoiling multiplayer" for casual players when theres a hugh majority of casual players who would welcome you into their FFAs or whatever.

I think the point P5yy is that he was kicked out rather rudely. I assume it be different if they handled what they said better. No one likes to be called," nooby ". If they had be the slightest respectful they could ask nicely if StrykeZero could leave for a player with higher games played or anything nicer than lets kick the noobs. And if they wanted that elite ranked players just to join then make it private or something. It could of been handled better by those who were setting up the game.

StrykeZero, welcome to ICO. You find there are quite a few ppl like that online and since its a very small community they stick out even more. I suggest you find some fellow players who are casual and such and get a group together and play between yourselfs. I know, alot of people who do play online tend to play with just their friends of people they have met and have enjoyed playing with. If your really interested in the clans, You might as well kiss your non SINS life away. Thats what it takes to get to that level for most.

Yeah, it is not good to be rude about it....I have booted people from games, but I try to explain that we are looking for experienced players first, and I tend to label my games skilled.  A game of Sins takes at least about 30 minutes to buildup and kill the other guy, even if he had no chance, and that is time wasted.  It is especially frustrating in a team game to feel that you have a beginner as an ally.

If you are good at the game, just hang in there and play some of the non-clan games.  If you do well, people will take notice of you very quickly -- it is a small community.  Challenge some of the clan people to 1v1's.  Pretty soon you will have people vouching for your skills even if you have low games played.

If it makes you feel any better, I cant tell you how many times I have been unceremoniously kicked from a game because they say "you are too good".  I know it sounds preposterous, but it has happened to me many times.

I'm not trying to prove myself or join a clan I just don't like the fact it was discussed in the game lobby that "those two nooby players" should be kicked. Even though their was hardly anyone online and people were struggling to fill games.

The thing though was that the game wasn't labelled skilled, there wasn't a password and it wasn't set to friends only. It was an open public game where anyone can join.

Thanks I have found a few people who play a nice fair game who I tend to play with regularly. Oh btw P5yy I played a game with you before, it was good. We made sweet monkey love to the other teams faces.

yeah, I try to always label the games as skilled if that is the plan...I'm not making excuses for bad behavior.....some of the good players are very elitist and it is bad for the community.

I have seen many a player kicked for being a "noob" or even a smurf.  I haven't done so myself because i only rarely host games.  Generally when people have been booted when I have been around, it was a skilled game or someone was making room for another skilled player that we already knew.  I have had too many times when I get a bit angry cause I have some unknown player on my team and as soon as the slightest bad thing happens, they ditch out of the game.  They dont dig in and delay.  They don't feed.  Lots of times they don't even ask for help.  They just leave and gimp the rest of the team.  Its not about being elitist most times that I have seen.  Its about playing with people that won't leave you high and dry.  I personally don't care much for stomping on people that don't play as well unless I am outnumbered by them.  Just my opinion.  I would play with about anyone though.

[_]-Greyfox

I dont think the problem is the is that skilled players want to play with skilled players. Its the manner in which the choose to address the lower skilled players. Some respect is needed when setting up games. That way skilled player can play their skilled games without shuning the less skilled players. Tis a simple problem that just needs a change of thought.

If a couple of skilled players are looking for a good well skill balanced match and don't want new players who have little knowledge on advanced game mechanics possibly ruining the game for them thats fine by me. I would recommend that new players find someone who is willing to play a game with them and teach them the basics.

I would also suggest showing a little courtesy towards new players and people you don't want in the lobby. There are methods for making a lobby private that have already been discussed here. If you choose not to use these methods then at least explain why you are removing them from the lobby or ask them to leave respectfully.

Also their is a difference between newb and n00b. Everyone is a newb when they start playing a game but a n00b is someone who has little skill regardless of playtime or knowledge of game mechanics.

One thing however I have noticed which is quite rude , is when there is a skilled host and hes got 10 players ready in a game. Then suddenly someone who he knows joins through the chat channel.

forexample , a [DT] hosts a game (not nessarily competitive game , just PUG ) . It has a couple of randomish players in it too. Then suddenly another [DT] joins the chat channel and goes "heya fellow [DT]s can I play!? , make room buddies!"

So then a poor random player who thought he was going to play the game and has probably waited about 5-10 minutes for the host to get ready , gets discussed as the worse player and most expandable and gets kicked so the [DT] can join. Host then says "space is open , get in!"

Ive actually been guilty of doing this too . Joining a [DT] game thats full on its chatchannel. Then asking if host can make room which I know in the back of my mind means someone else is going to have to be booted. Happens this noob was Sins101 at the time lol. I think it was what started his spam rampage lol. Tho it is rude , it does happen all the time.

Very well put...just because some of us have little to no "games" on-line does not mean that we are not skilled...I have played many, many games through LAN and personally feel that I am a good player at the types of games that I like to play.  So, if I get onto to ICO tonight with less than 10 games played on-line, should I be treated as a newb or a less-skilled player because I have low numbers???

This is also a very good point...just practice common sense and some courtesy...it's really not that hard.

Well, at least you did it to Sins101...that at least makes it somewhat justified...

I never look at someone with low game numbers as unskilled until they prove it in game.  There are far far far too many smurfs out there to use stats as meaningful.  The skilled/questionably unskilled thing does cut both ways though.  I don't know how many clan games we have had where we host it and as soon as someone joins and sees a bunch of clan people in the game they leave without saying a word.  I'm guessing they think they don't have a chance and figure why bother even when its 3 of us vs 4 of them.  Sometimes it is difficult to get a game rolling because of that.  I don't blame people for wanting to kick unknowns to make room for someone they know that will actually STAY IN the game if even the slightest bad thing happens to them individually.  With a few exceptions, its only the people that I know and play with daily that will stay around even if they are getting beaten to feed or delay the enemy.  I am not saying its polite because its not.  It IS very rude.  I can understand why it happens though.  Its a small online community.  Thats a good thing and thats a bad thing.  If you want to play with or against the clans, there are plenty of opportunities to do so.  With a little time we will get to know you and you may be the one we make room for eventually.  You could always form your own clan too.  I like playing against other clans.  If only there were more clans out there.  If you got kicked, then it was nothing against you personally I'm sure. 

[_]-Greyfox

I'm not a huge online player. This is due in part to people assuming that your stats are a direct relation to your skill. And while I can see this perspective is in general true, I would rather have the ability to turn off stat tracking. Not on a global level, but on a personal level. I would rather see reputations build and passed by word of mouth (or in this case word of type). Granted it is harder to accomplish with a small community, but that is what I would rather see.

The discussion I see in this topic shows reasons for both sides of that line (having stats and not having stats). Both do have valid points to make. On the one hand, having stats shows experience, but at the same time people can pad their stats or a new player will have lower stats than people want to see. On the other hand passing reputation by word has the advantage that you don't have to guess at the numbers, but at the same time one bad report can ruin a reputation. While I don't often play online I do watch a select few of the communities, and have seen this happen a few times. Even with stats one bad report, can cause a lot of damage to one's reputation.

I don't play to see who is the better player. I honestly don't care who is better. I play to have fun.

Now, I will admit I haven't played a game of Sins of a Solar Empire online. My current schedule has most of my time spent on homework. I've had to let the MMOs I play sit on the sideline for the same reason.

As to the original discussion, it is rude to be kicked out of a group with no explanation. I can understand the aspect of being removed from a group to include someone you know better, but at least say why. Personally, I would ask if someone would volunteer to leave. After that it is a matter of my state of mind, and which friend, at that point in time. In some cases I will apologize to the friend and take a rain-check. In other cases I might kick someone in favor of the friend.