Democrats Failed by Picking Obama

I have always been a Democrat and agree that the selection of Obama was a horrible one.  The thing is that I really don't believe he was ELECTED as much as SELECTED by the bigwigs at the DNC.  I think of the leadership of the DNC failed horribly.  The fact is that 18 million voters voted for Obama and 18 million voted for Hillary.  There was no landslide choice of Obama.  18 million mostly Democrats knew he wasn't the guy. 

The DNC needs to change their primary selection process.  Obama will be the nominee because of caucuses and superdelegates.  The funny thing is that that system was put in place to put a viable general election candidate on the ticket, not someone who is to the far left and unelectable in the general election.  I really don't think that Obama will hold up in the general election.  I know that I won't be voting for him. 

It is interesting that wanting to know Obama's view on an issue = the asker is a racist. For someone running on hope & change - he certainly is the same old stuff.

This election cycle has really opened my eyes - wider! The Dems are all about greed, race, sex and America stinks.

The elections come down to the choice between the two candidates.  I'll take McCain at least he has an idea of what his postions are.

I would like to see last night's forum used more often.

Vote Nader in '08!

Obama is a fine candidate, and I'm sure he can do wonders for this country where President Bush and his administration has failed oh-so much.

Interesting, though one could say the same thing about Republicans. That's quite a vague statement.

If you think high taxes and no real stand on any position is "wonders", then good for you.

 

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Examine his positions...

Also, higher taxes can help reduce the national debt and pave the way for new, innovative programs to produce jobs in America. People don't see the ends. I guess it's a nice world having a gigantic war budget while cutting taxes left and right, isn't it?

I have "examined" his positions, and I stand by what I said that he is a failure for the democrat party. His "positions" change depending on what state he is in and what the polls say.  Off-shore drilling comes to mind.

Higher taxes do not equal new jobs, I really don't know where that comes from.  It's actually the opposite.  Raising taxes on employers and producers will cut jobs, not create them. 

Regardless of that, why anyone thinks that the federal government needs more money to waste is beyond me. 

The New democrat mantra.



No. Show when they ever have been used for that (at least in the last 40 years). It is an empty promise that politicians use to snooker gullible people into supporting them.

But ID, think about the candidates the democrats had. You had one with over a 50% negative (virtually impossible to elect without a strong 3rd party candidate), another who cheated on his cancer ridden wife, and then a third one that is and was unknown. Who would you pick?

Believe it or not, I think Obama is the most electable of the 3. That is a far cry from saying that he will be elected.

Duh! Hillary! She was really picking up momentum just unfortunately she picked it up too late. I think she was the best candidate. I thought a funny moment at the Saddleback forum when Obama started to say that Clarence Thomas wasn't experi...(oops)

Yeah sucking money from the economy by raising taxes during a downturn is genius (sarcasm for those who miss it).  Are you one of Obama's economic advisers? 

Although the question was directed at ID, somehow your answer does not surprise me.



Yea, Obama, at least honestly, has to dance very carefully around the experience question. Of course seeing some of the faux "experience" that the bots are trotting out, he can be dishonest about it and lie through his teeth. I give him at least honesty so far (for the most part) in that he is not totally mesmerized by his own speeches.

Well, I see Barack (formally known as Jesus) still has people seeing him as some higher power as they believe he can do wonders for this nation. Last i checked God is the one with the abilities to do wonders. Barack can only make patch jobs, that is if he can actually stick to one position. The truth that people need to understand is that the President of this nation has no real power as some think he does. Regardless how much they may act as if they do, in the end the President is suppose to act based on the people's idea of what should be done to help this nation, the same goes for Congres and the Senate. People have simply forgotten how much power they truly have, that at any time we can have them removed and replaced, that every 4 years we have the power to keep them another for years, give their successor a chance or change them all together for the alternative.

Barack Obama is no different than any other politician who has run for President before. He simply took advantage of Bush's failure during his administration to pick the perfect catch phrase for his campaign and he got lucky it worked. Sure, we all want change, some more drastic changes than others, but the only change Barack will bring will be a change of party. In the end they are both more of the same, except with a more gallible population this time around.

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there.  Before I get labeled a sexist I have no problem with a female becoming the president of the United States, in fact I look forward to that day, that said Hillary was NOT that candidate.  She had entirely too much baggage with stigmas of dirty politics thanks to her husband, and he did nothing but hold her campaign back every time he spoke.  Also there was the appearance of yet another dynasty setting up, 4 years of a Bush, 8 years of a Clinton, 8 years of a different Bush, then 4-8 years of another Clinton just wasn't palatable to most of America.  Sure she got 18 million votes, and good for her, but the bottom line is that she wasn't going to appeal to the independents at all which would mean that the Republican would walk away with the election.  At least with Obama the race is close.

As for how Obama became the candidate, he had a really good opening.  No one really considered him a front runner until Iowa, he had some following but Hillary was seen as the inevitable candidate.  Then after Iowa Obama started getting the Rock Star treatment where no one really questioned his background, they just jumped on the bandwagon.  He talked a good game with that "change mantra" but he, and no one else, bothered to define what the hell change meant.  Now that the primaries are over some of Obama's past is starting to come and bite him in the ass and people are starting to see him for what he really is, which is nothing.  He can still talk a good game, as long as he can read off a script, which will keep the race rather close, but it remains to be seen if that will be enough.

I couldn't agree more.  When I heard that her name was going to be offered up for nomination at the convention I just started thinking about how hilarious it would be if the delegates ended up picking her as the nominee.  Imagine all the uproar that would be caused by that, it would be hilarious.  Sure it's not going to happen but it would be rather amusing if it did.

It would be all that - and a welcome change from "campaigns" as usual that the presidency has become.

If Hillary manages to wrestle the nomination from Hussein all hell breaks loose... get the microwave popcorn ready

After the convention Barry will be nailed with the video of his wife during her rant, and the allegations that his birth certificate is fake.

 

He was hatched?

OK, I have not done any research on this so I am a bit confused. It is believed that both candidates were born outside the US? I mean in this article it has a link to a dispute of McCians bith certificate and now Obama has a possible fake birth certificate as well? How did we end up with these 2 candidates with such conflicting issues?

Off topic, is it just me or has the "quick reply" box changed looks? And the smileys?

Changed?  I dont see any changes?  Have you been drinking kool-aid?

Lord almighty...

 

He was born in Hawaii. How the hell does that not make him a natural born citizen? It doesn't, because he is. I'm sorry if you all don't want to hear it, but the facts are the facts.

 

Concerning him being a so called Muslim or whether or not he is hiding his family and him being raised by a Muslim, oh well.

What does it matter IF he was a Muslim? I'm sorry, I'm not so short sighted or paranoid. I really wouldn't care. Besides that point, it isn't what you were "born" (How can someone be born muslim?), but what you are now. He's Christian, that's all should matter, right?

Seriously, come on... I may not be a supporter of his anymore, but this...obsession/paranoia is ridiculous.

Honestly, I think it is because for most people experience equals corruption and/or incompetence. Also, everyone has a shady background, as far as i know when it comes to that Chicago insider guy, it's been looked into.

 

First of all, to all of you who complain that Obama was "selected not elected" might I remind you, the only purpose for a primary election is for each party to "select" their nominee.  The party leadership get to set the rules for that selection because, well, the nominee is the party's candidate, not the nation's candidate.

Too many people seem to think that the primaries are there to decide who gets to run for the office of president.  They aren't.  If you want more say in who the party chooses, be more active in your party.

In the end though, Obama was chosen this time for the same reason all democrat nominees have been chosen since at least Carter.. probably further back than that.

Basic rule of presidential election rule #1: The republicans will chose the one "whose turn it is" regardless of any better choices, and the democrats will choose whoever the press chooses, regardless of better choices.

Do a little research into who got the nomination from both parties, check out who they were before they were even considering running.  You'll see that this is true.

 To me, the only real question about his Muslim past is, is he lying about it or not?  If he is, then it is relevant, if not, then (at least to me) it isn't.  Same with his birth certificate.  If it is fake, then it is more than just relevant, it makes him a felon.  If it is real, then yes he was born in the US, and eligible to run.

The accusations against McCain were nothing more than an incompetent press inspired fantasy.  He was born in a US Military hospital to two US citizens.  Some people have a misconception that the US Constitution requires a candidate for president be born on "US Soil" or some other words they conjured up meaning within the confines of the US... but that is wrong.  The applicable part of the US Constitution states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen..."   So, to anyone who thinks it says anything else... get it right before you argue your lack of a point. :~D

It really depends on whom you raise taxes, the wealthiest americans are paying the least in taxes they have paid I know since before carter, but my guess is that it goes back way before that.  I know that during carter the tax rate was 75%, which I agree is way to high.  A better rate might be about 35-40%.  I do know we ask the wealthy to take a bigger portion of the tax burden, but lets face it they can afford it.  And for a party that supposedly speaks so prominently about patriotism isnt this the ultimate in being there for your country other than laying down your life for it?  Funny more rich people than not are conservatives and always paint liberals as non-partriotic, but when it comes to them what do they do that is patriotic?  Do they send their sons and daughters to war?  Nope.  In fact many times they try to buy their way out back when we had the draft.  Do they voluteer to help the government out more with money?  Nope.  In fact they just keep taking and taking more in personal wealth.  Being patriotic is an action, not just words.

 

I guess you dont know since they are now paying  more than at any time in history.  But dont let facts get in your way of good talking points.

Just remember the yachts genius.