the illustrious Anny battle

here to thin the air of lies



because anny has been going about making a huge stink of this, I'm here to dispell the propoganda.

this is a half-second created chart of my decisions, anyone with half a brain should be able to follow my subsequent explanation:

my position was behind a single (dead?) asteroid, it was obviously quite tempting to sit there and defend because our empires were comparable in size and I had the desert, making it seem that I would be able to outproduce him. under normal circumstances I wouldnt have engaged in that, but because his HW was diametrically opposed on the star's grav well, because pirates were looming and because his fleet had the initial upper hand I chose to remain on the defensive because frankly I had no other choice. offensive against his fleet would have ruined me very quickly.

so throughout the game why didnt I send a strike force against his HW like I did with Ron? simple: I didnt have star superiority nor proximity, if I had sent anything to attack Anny's planets directly either 1) he would send out a small detatchment to remove them or 2) he would build proper defenses at his HW in time. option 3 would be a large detatchment, but he would have been able to simultaneously defend against me AND screw my internal planets over. I had no way of gaining star superiority due to his overproduction of fleets, and was thus, utterly and completely fucked.

everything cascades from there.

at the point where we became interlocked I already had built up a solid infrastructure at my desert planet, the culture grab *seemed* to be doing okay, and my economy appeared to be outdoing Annies. the first time he attacked he was able to do significant damage to me, but I had wiped out his fleet. eet brought up a valid point: why didnt I counterattack? simple: doing so would have ruined me, he already had minor defenses at the asteroid and I had no way of grabbing it before he could build a fleet capable of destroying mine and sending me back, this time down a cap and a few frigs and with a fresh armada on my tail.

after that it was an engagement of several balanced fleets that *began* to leen towards using LRMs, I was a fool not to notice, but there wasnt much I could have done in that respect anyway: so why didnt I produce fighters and light carriers
1) nobody knew at the time that fighters were particularly effective against LRMs, including me.
2) producing an abundance of them would require quite a bit of money including research and
3) they take time to build their fighters, time I did not have in any measure.

why didnt I reconfigure my infrastructure to build frigs? well I tried, but by the time it became apparent to me (yes I fucked up) that it was the move to make I was already too far gone to do anything about it.

so finally I have no fleet and anny bypasses my asteroid and I have the balls to say "hey, its your game, we done here?" because I wasnt interested in wasting either of our times for something I couldnt salvage.

anny you didnt make any goofy blunders, but you can hardly call your victory strategy of spam and spike "skillful", let alone enough to judge me every time I open my mouth. frankly this loss came at more of my lack of choice and/or decisions on my part that seem stupid in retrospect because we already know how things unfolded. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves.

I dare anyone to look through the replay with simply what I had in my intelligence and tell me that they would do different. the options were VERY limited, and while the map looked apparently even it was quite not. I admit, I didnt always make the smartest choices: but the story would be the same had I made any other moves.

finally eets wanted to know why I was making a culture grab: the point was that after anny built defense against it I might have had a chance at the pirates, an apparent waste.

so I've had enough of the utter BULLSHIT flowing from both anny and eets saying that somehow anny's actions were more skillful, there was almost NO skill going into those battles. "skill" would have been sending a small detatchment away while engaging my center fleet to tear up my infrastructure, rather than blindly sending wave after wave of units and using trial and error to realize "duh, I should use LRMs!". Annys actions were more or less common sense "lets attack him", and for him to judge me when I'm discussing completely different battles is total folly. total and complete foolish folly.
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Reply #1 Top
Amusing that you didn't post the actual replay, but here it is. I don't feel the need to write anything, people can watch it and laugh at you without my help.

Replay

Edit: Actually I figured I'd post this bit because it illustrates something quite well:

[22:45]
Reply #2 Top

Amusing that you didn't post the actual replay, but here it is. I don't feel the need to write anything, people can watch it and laugh at you without my help.

Replay


Yeah, laughing at people with god-complexes is fun, isn't it? :D
Reply #3 Top
Bah Ron, you sniped my edit:

[22:45] Schod - WHEN you went after me with a LRM spam fighters never would have the DPS to stop you, turrets are too short ranged
[22:45] Schod - eet he did well
[22:45] eetmorsqrls - except he insists that the tortise isnt moving
[22:46] Schod - but now he's making up things
[22:46] Annatar - Vasari LRMs shoot in range of turrets.
[22:46] Schod - just liek you are
[22:46] Schod - no they dont
[22:46] Annatar - Try it.
[22:46] eetmorsqrls - yes they do
[22:46] Schod - you have to be kidding me...
[22:46] eetmorsqrls - ur retarded :D
[22:46] Annatar - Go on, try it.
[22:46] Schod - look again both of you dolts
[22:46] Schod - you try it
[22:46] eetmorsqrls - i was watching it
[22:46] Annatar - It's in the replay
[22:46] Annatar - :P
[22:46] eetmorsqrls - how can you not know that

Fixing names since the <> IRC brackets apparently remove anything within them on the forums.
Reply #4 Top
the LRM is designed almost specifically to break turret-dependant defenses Annatar, their range far exceeds that of the defense. if you sent yours in too close (if that was the case, its not what I remember) that is completely your fault.
Amusing that you didn't post the actual replay, but here it is. I don't feel the need to write anything, people can watch it and laugh at you without my help.

I dont have access to the replay right now, but thank you for putting it on here. if you payed any attention to the original post you would note how I asked people to look at it. although if we're going to get more eets who post only viewing from the omniscient perspective its obviously only going to return ignorant posts.
Reply #5 Top
the LRM is designed almost specifically to break turret-dependant defenses Annatar, their range far exceeds that of the defense. if you sent yours in too close (if that was the case, its not what I remember) that is completely your fault.


The TEC LRM does indeed have greater range, but does a different damage type. The Vasari missile frigate does anti-capital damage primarily, but DOES NOT have the range of the TEC's counterpart. Again, how could you not know this :P
Reply #6 Top
Yeah, laughing at people with god-complexes is fun, isn't it?

and you're the god of humility? because you almost won all three of our little duels, eh?
The TEC LRM does indeed have greater range, but does a different damage type. The Vasari missile frigate does anti-capital damage primarily, but DOES NOT have the range of the TEC's counterpart. Again, how could you not know this

because it ain't true. thats why
Reply #7 Top
offensive against his fleet would have ruined me very quickly.


yeah, with four trade centers you would have been utterly screwed

option 3 would be a large detatchment,


like a bunch of cappies and enforcers without any siege frigs?

*began* to leen towards using LRMs,


yep, mass producing tons of lrm's and nothing else is a beginning

1) nobody knew at the time that fighters were particularly effective against LRMs, including me.


ur right, we all thought bombers were

2) producing an abundance of them would require quite a bit of money including research and


researching up to enforcers and getting 5 cappies over and over is much more cost effective :D

3) they take time to build their fighters, time I did not have in any measure.


nope, only enough time to fly across a sun and bombard his hw for 15 minutes

I have the balls to say "hey, its your game, we done here?"


actually you said you were out of time :O


finally eets wanted to know why I was making a culture grab: the point was that after anny built defense against it I might have had a chance at the pirates, an apparent waste.


huh?

Annys actions were more or less common sense "lets attack him"


yep, common sense beats, what again? every time
Reply #8 Top


The TEC LRM does indeed have greater range, but does a different damage type. The Vasari missile frigate does anti-capital damage primarily, but DOES NOT have the range of the TEC's counterpart. Again, how could you not know this

because it ain't true. thats why


Well until the Vasari LRM's gets a special tech they cant fire as long as the TEC LRM's
Reply #9 Top
because it ain't true. thats why


wonder how hes gonna squirm out of this one...
Reply #10 Top
Schod -- just look at the .entity files.

In FrigatePhaseLongRange.entity

Range 6800.000000

In PLANETMODULE_TECHORBITALGAUSSDEFENSE.entity

Range 7500.000000
Reply #11 Top

Schod -- just look at the .entity files.

In FrigatePhaseLongRange.entity

Range 6800.000000

In PLANETMODULE_TECHORBITALGAUSSDEFENSE.entity

Range 7500.000000


Thanks :) Saved me some time looking!
Reply #12 Top
It is worth noting that with all 3 range upgrades, the Vas LRMs outrange the Gauss Cannons. (7616 v 7500)
Reply #13 Top
Yes, though in the game I didn't have them, so I was always shooting within their range. The Vasari Missile turrets have the same range of the Gauss, too.

Reply #14 Top
Mhmm, just thought it was notable enough to warrant mentioning :p
Reply #15 Top
Jesus.......SMH!!!!!!!! Sorry Schod.....You did it to yourself. ROFL at that chart.
Reply #16 Top
even 7616 vs 7500 though, the lrms tend to fly in a bit when you have clustered gauss and get hit, especially when you have lrm spam

ranks himself in top three and doesnt even know how far things can shoot
Reply #17 Top
ranks himself in top three and doesnt even know how far things can shoot

oh? i thought he ranked himself as *NUMBER ONE* :LOL:
Reply #18 Top
the point of making such a big-ass post just for justifying a single loss tells a lot about you. you're a good player, but live with not being perfect and losing every once in a while.
Reply #19 Top
Was this a random map? Should have played a symmetrical custom. It eliminates map unfairness as a factor in anybodies victory.
Reply #20 Top
It was random. I wasn't hosting (as I recall) and I didn't particularly care.
Reply #21 Top
well he restarted the map four times to get a good position...
Reply #22 Top

ranks himself in top three and doesnt even know how far things can shoot

oh? i thought he ranked himself as *NUMBER ONE*


that me :d
Reply #23 Top

Come on Schod, this post is making you sound like one of my teenage boys. (hint: that's not a good thing!)  :p

Anyway, It may not have been a "grand" victory however it was a victory nonetheless and should be shown respect in defeat. The measure of a man is how well he carries himself in defeat not victory. (and most certainly not his e-penis size! hehe )

Have a nice day!
Reply #24 Top
I applaude you annatar.

You struck down the not-so-almighty. :)
Reply #25 Top
Meh. There was a reason I never posted the replay before, and the only times I ever brought it up with him were when he lied/twisted the events of what happened to suit his purpose and insult my intelligence/conduct, so I felt somewhat compelled to set the facts straight.

It was a lose-lose for me from the get-go. If I declined his challenge, I would've been willingly admitting he was superior and he'd never let me live it down that I was too scared to play him. If I lost at least he'd have some basis of making the claim, and if I won I didn't have much doubt that he'd dismiss it as luck/circumstance. It flared up a little shortly after the game, but died down until recently - though I guess he may still be bitter about it.

Either way, that game cost me too much effort in damage control that I wish it never happened :P