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I know how much you guys love my blood of the fallen threads 
Please consider nerfing charm of life to +250 health and blood of the fallen to +500 health. Keep the health regen the same. Other favor items will then be more viable, greatly increasing build variety.
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I would rather them buff some of the other favor items.
Also, definitely nerf charm of life lol.
I think it'd be better to make health as a mechanic less important. I'd assume even if they halved HP items across the board, it wouldn't make armor or damage that much more desirable.
lol charm of life?
i dont see any problem with items, not even with hp ones
Do you ever buy scalemail?
Another approach to this (from other team-pvp-games) is to look at the current spamming of abilities.
Right now, direct-damage, slow and stun are plenty, and with cooldown so low, one or two mana-items can make you use them as soon as the cooldown allows you. This makes inventory a split between basically hp-items (2-3; unbreakable, hauberk anyone?) and mana-item (1-2, faceguard, battlecrown anyone?). You can get speed from wand, and not lose a precious inventory-slot. This is basically the balance right now (no complain, just stating).
When it's possible to spam spells, hp becomes priority, so priority items either buff health to survive being focused, or mana to be able to focus. I'm not calling for a nerf, but this is why hp and mana is way more important than damage, speed and armor. Only late game when artifacts come into play, you can actually use normal damage, then armor too becomes important.
Instead of nerfing hp items (which would be a bad idea, since focusing would kill you instantly in for instance a 5v5) you have to consider the rock-scissor-paper concept of cooldown, spell-damage, mana, and hp (and possibly also damage and armor).
Or am I way out of line?
Think of Mards Hammer. Gives +40 DMG and +5% ATK speed. Its so underpowered...
not so much
the stats overall are good, ofc you need a proper setup to support it
I think other items could use a buff rather then BoF getting the nerf bat.
I don't agree in regards to speed items.
In some builds, being faster means not letting the enemy go so you can cash a kill or being able to flee thus not being hit by another spell that would have killed you no matter how much hp you had (eg. any stun that gives time to other dgs to catch up).
Not so long ago according to these forums, everyone used Swift Anklet, don't you remember?
How about does *anyone* ever buy scalemail, then?
I use scalemail a lot, and later i replace it with nimoth chest.
for 400gold, 600 armor, great deal and you dont lose much gold when you sell it later.
Whoah, great idea! I'm gonna go start a thread to discuss that prospect...
I would definitely like to see a nerf to Blood of the Fallen, down to +600 please, 800 is too much. Leave charm as it is, 10% less dp time is still not going to be better than 200 health for any good player the vast majority of the time.
Hp items are simply way too good atm, Banded, Unbreakable, Hauberk, Narmoth's should all be toned down, and no the solution is not to buff the other items. Nerfs are almost always better than buffs.
change function of wings of seraphim to "lose health regen effect if you ATTACK or use a SKILL".
cape of plentiful (think thats the name) - lower its cooldown.
so many favor items need buffs or changes in one way or another. ive only bought very few favor items leaving me with 20k favor points unspent. i just find that many r long term redundent.
i reckon leave as is, it costs a lot anyway. hauberk 1750, 600health and 10 regen, narmoths 4000, 750health 20 regen, 8% vamp. i dont thin kany of those health items need a nerf apart from unbreakable boots.
HP items are not overpowered. In 3s a DG can end in 5-10 seconds already. If you're saying HP items are too good what you're saying is that fights currently last too long, and if that's what you think then you are mistaken.
Outside of 2v2s and 1v1s and HP items aren't a problem. If they reduced the HP of all the DGs via item nerfs they would have to add an HP flag in your base on every map that were intended for 3v3 and up (there effectively is one on Exile already).
You're really just underestimating the variety of favor items which get used already. These ones are used frequently:
Seriously that's not a bad variety at all.
These items get infrequent use:
Does infrequent use mean bad/average players use them but experts don't or just that they have very specific niches? I don't know, but I have seen some of these items used to great effect.
The items that get no usage generally have very straightforward explanations:
Pretty much all assassin favor items are viable and many of the items which aren't used aren't used because they're worse than other items with identical or similar effects, not BotF. I don't see a problem with favor items that are worse than each other so long as they're also cheaper than the item they're worse than. Just because people who play a lot cap out on favor points doesn't mean that having a price scale is a bad thing.
Favor items by and large are fine and I think the ideal way to increase variety is to add interesting new items rather than nerf the most popular ones.
If you put BotF on the chopping block I guarantee Staff of Renewal, Anklets of Speed, and Cloak of Night will be next, and for me that would dramatically reduce this game's fun level.
i dont really think botf is a big problem. I used to use it all the time, but now i use bots and find it works better.
TB Blade of the Serpent Scale Mail and Banded to start...
obscene i think has nailed it pretty much.
i think botf serves good purpose short term. only coz they will survive longer due to limited skills and and have to rely on AA at start to take down enemy. The only longe term purpose would be if opposing enemy is full of burst dmg skills (eg TB, reg).
so in the end, nerfing it down to 600 health will have it not do its job very well at start, defeating its purpose.
if there was only 2 favor items (BotF, swift anklet) id choose swift anklet almost every time. only coz it serves well long term.
i think ppl need to get over "unfair max health benefits" coz theyre not as good as what theyre made out to be. of course they serve there purpose here and there, but they r not the deciding factor of a win.
lets say u have an enemy UB with max spit:
BotF - gives u that extra 800 health to survive spit. Okay, it may save you 4-5 AA but really enemies r gonna try kill u as fast as they can with skills.
Symbol of purity - u can remove it almost instantly, only recieving 150 dmg. so essentially u saved yourself 700 more health than you would if u had BotF. Dont forget it removes all negative conditions, this may also save u when trying to kite after being slowed down by maxed mines or saves ur self additional dmg and slow down from penitence.
i reckon a long term fix to favor items being balanced would be to make all favor items:
- cost the same amount of favor
- effectiveness should be at an equal level in relation to one another (eg. 800 with +5 health regen health favor item | 600 with +10 health regen | 300 health 300 mana +5 health regen +5 mana regen). something like that, but balancing will take time.
The biggest joke is the Footsoldiers Sabbaton. So fucking underpowered.
I mean, dps Items need a buff. If i have 1,5k Gold, I always buy Nimoth Chestmail. Nobody buys on this level wyrmskin gloves. They should deal +50 dmg all the time and not 15.
Of course, BotF is a little bit imba. But never forget: With banded armor, wehich costs 550 Gold, uhave nearly the same effect, only 400 hp less, but anyway, u got the regen and 400 hp...
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