What would happen if skill points can be reallocated at will?

If any one can reallocate their skill point at any time, how would the game be affected?

It certainly will make the game more dynamic but it also will certainly makes certain DGs more powerful and dramatically change the balance.

Any speculations? I for one would love to see a game setting implemented as such.

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Reply #1 Top

I think that would be a bad idea.  Not just bad, disastrous. 

Massively microing your skill tree (max points to nuke A, now all points to passive autoattack boosts, now all points to stun!) would be hell.

Reply #2 Top

I'd love to be able to spend like 6k or 7k to redo all my skills. Would be nice to be able to retune your stratagy if need be.

Maybe limit it to once and make it cheeper, I dunno.

Reply #3 Top

Quoting InfiniteVengeance, reply 1
I think that would be a bad idea.  Not just bad, disastrous. 

Massively microing your skill tree (max points to nuke A, now all points to passive autoattack boosts, now all points to stun!) would be hell.

The massive "micro" required while your hero is standing still and doing nothing should act as a deterrent enough to changing skill points that often (and why would anyone change it so often anyway). It's not viable in battle anyway without hotkeys and templates.

Reply #4 Top

Except it would basically become common for people who could click fast enough to do it.  So now everyone has to do it, or die.

Reply #5 Top

Also there would surely be mods made where the press of a button would do everything needed for you and people could freely switch between different builds at the drop of a hat. A very bad idea this is.

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Quoting InfiniteVengeance, reply 4
Except it would basically become common for people who could click fast enough to do it.  So now everyone has to do it, or die.

 

 

are you serious? you basically assume that'd youd be able to do it at anytime and then try to rule the possibility out entirely. it wouldn't be bad to let them do it at citadel for free once, then 1000 gold, 5000, etc

 

 

Reply #7 Top

I do not at all like this idea. It would quickly degenerate the game into rock/paper/scissors style gameplay.  If DG A has an ability that is strongly countered by DG B, if B has a specific skill.. B can ALWAYS have that specific skill, even if they did not build for it.

Furthermore, the opportunity costs of abilities that are strong in the early game, but weak in the late game gets whiped away. Regulus easily gets snipe until level 6, and then switches to mines at level 7.


Since no commitment is made, the difference between an early game and late game build would blur greatly, and people would more and more gravitate towards the same way of playing.

 

Uggh.

Reply #8 Top

it messes up some of the balance.  Sometimes you take skills b/c they are useful in the early game but not useful in the late game.  If you can reskill your DG in the lategame, you can drop those skills which are now not so good and switch to other things that are better.

Reply #9 Top

are you serious? you basically assume that'd youd be able to do it at anytime and then try to rule the possibility out entirely.

READ the OP.

If any one can reallocate their skill point at any time

Yeah.

 

Reply #10 Top

im saying that you cant rule the whole idea out, like i said, let them do it at citadel, amybe limit it to once, or you cant do it at lvl 20, or youcan only change 5 points

 

ps, i actuallly didnt read all of it, oops, lo siento

Reply #11 Top

I would think maybe the idea of a few reset points that either reset a skill path or the whole skill panel may be a good idea for another game setting. Personally there are instances where in bigger games I realise I need to switch build but some skills are already set in stone. I thought it may be an interesting different game set that maybe fun to play if such option is available.

Reply #12 Top

I really don't think it'd be a good idea. A key part of the game is working out good builds and learning what sort of build works best in a given matchup. If you could change mid-game, then there'd be no incentive to put much thought into what you're doing or to take tradeoffs where a particular skill be useful early or against one opponent, but not late or against another.

Reply #13 Top

I think micromanagement would be the biggest problem, but I also think this problem could be avoided by, say, only allowing you to change your skills at your item shop or citadel.

But even without the micromanagement, I think that Zechnophobe's points are valid enough that this is not a good idea.

Reply #14 Top

It would be nice sometimes because end game strategy can be quite different from levelling strategy, but still I am against it. Half of the fun is 'coping' in battle against DG that might be either hard or easy to kill. It's the same thing as the whole 'switch DG right before starting the game to counter the enemy team as much as possible' debate. Some like it, some don't. I don't.

Reply #15 Top

Hell, Book of *something* (forgot what :P)? Nobody play wc3? It's a consumable item you can buy from a shop that unlearns all your current kills and gives you the skill points back so you can reassign them. It costs GOLD (ofc!), the price will be determined by balance. Off the top I'd say 2000 gold would be a good price for it.

It would add a lot of depth to the gameplay imo. You can either buy some item or spend it on a citadel upgrade or switch your build to counter what ever threath you are on (e.g. enemy demigods owning you, creeps overwhelming = need aoe, want to destroy towers etc. etc.).

Do I hear a noob cry "unfair!!11! he could counter my build after seeing it". Well, you can buy the Book as well and counter his build. This would promote better knowledge of builds and what counters what. Raising the skill ceiling and the top players would even more easily stand out.

Reply #16 Top

my 2 cents - add more levels for each thing, add more abilities, and then allow either reallocation at some point for maybe 5 points or just offer more points