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Sins / Entrenchment DRM

Sins / Entrenchment DRM

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Lie:
-tell an untruth; pretend with intent to deceive; 
-a statement that deviates from or perverts the truth
-no sins drm

One can no longer download, install, archive and move the installation without re-activation? This = DRM. You = liar. :thumbsdown:

 

DrGonzo

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Reply #26 Top

Since I have nothing better to do, I might as well respond to this.

Your claim is that Stardock/Ironclad lied. However, a little research would have revealed that only the retail install is DRM free and that both patches and the digital version require activation. Stardock/Ironclad have been saying this from the very begining. Which means that Stardock/Ironclad didn't lie.

When you encountered the need to re-activate you could have simply searched or asked on the forums about it. Instead you jumped straight to the conclusion that Stardock/Ironclad lied and decided to whine about it. Your research is indeed lacking.

Just to back you up with a few links, even though it won't keep these guys quiet:

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/344426/page/5/#2116343 - reply #113

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/324042/page/1/#1871547 - quote in the OP

I could probably find more, but I'm at work.

Reply #27 Top

However, a little research would have revealed that only the retail install is DRM free and that both patches and the digital version require activation. Stardock/Ironclad have been saying this from the very begining.¹


¹Citation needed.

Also, related:

We the Gamers of the world, in order to ensure a more enjoyable experience, establish equality between players and publishers, and promote the general welfare of our industry hereby call for the following:
Gamers shall have the right to return games that don't work with their computers for a full refund.
Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.
Gamers shall have the right to expect meaningful updates after a game's release.
Gamers shall have the right to demand that download managers and updaters not force themselves to run or be forced to load in order to play a game.
Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will adequately play on that computer.
Gamers shall have the right to expect that games won't install hidden drivers or other potentially harmful software without their express consent.
Gamers shall have the right to re-download the latest versions of the games they own at any time.
Gamers shall have the right to not be treated as potential criminals by developers or publishers.
Gamers shall have the right to demand that a single-player game not force them to be connected to the Internet every time they wish to play.
Gamers shall have the right that games which are installed to the hard drive shall not require a CD/DVD to remain in the drive to play.

I wrote none of this.

DrGonzo

Reply #28 Top

Just to back you up with a few links, even though it won't keep these guys quiet:

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/344426/page/5/#2116343 - reply #113

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/324042/page/1/#1871547 - quote in the OP

I could probably find more, but I'm at work.


Anything in a more *ahem* public and/or widely circulated forum?

 

DrGonzo

Reply #29 Top

So.... Dr.Gonzo... when are you going to do that whole going away thing you were talking about earlier?  You've got enough emo twattage to power the local Jr. High for a year.

Reply #30 Top


Anything in a more *ahem* public and/or widely circulated forum?

I would say the Shacknews interview is pretty public.

Reply #31 Top

I wrote none of this.

It looks like that is the same amount of it you understand.

Going over the ones you decided to bold.

Gamers shall have the right to return games that don't work with their computers for a full refund.

Since you have made no complaint about your computer not being able to acutally run sins, I fail to see why you made this bold.

Gamers shall have the right to demand that download managers and updaters not force themselves to run or be forced to load in order to play a game.

This proves your lack of research as Impulse is only needed to update or install the digital version of Sins.  You can even remove Impulse and Sins will work fine.  You also don't need Impulse to re-activate a patched or digital game if you move it to another computer, that computer just needs an internet connection.  All you need for activation is your serial number for Sins and the email address for your Impulse account.

Gamers shall have the right to expect that games won't install hidden drivers or other potentially harmful software without their express consent.

Another fail as Impulse does neither.

Gamers shall have the right to re-download the latest versions of the games they own at any time.

You can through Impulse.  It automatically handles activation as well during the update.

Gamers shall have the right to not be treated as potential criminals by developers or publishers.

I fail to see how requiring a one time per patch or move activation treats you like a criminal.  You don't feel like a criminal if you have to use car keys to drive your car do you?

Gamers shall have the right to demand that a single-player game not force them to be connected to the Internet every time they wish to play.

The only way this would be a smi-valid complaint is if you are downloading, installing, archiving or moving the installation of Sins everytime you play.  Even then it would be somthing that is your choice.

 

 

Reply #32 Top

Dr Gonzo, just give up already. It's you vs the home team in the home team's court. You're also a borderline troll.

 

Plus all of your arguments are invalid, especially the one you just made with the Gamer's Bill of Rights. Impulse/Stardock don't violate that Bill, and never will. Some of those would be broken by steam but not by Impulse. If anything, Stardock has really taken the Bill to heart even though we haven't really heard about it since last year.

Reply #33 Top

This proves your lack of research as Impulse is only needed to update or install the digital version of Sins.

Which means it manages the downloads, making it a "Download Manager". Is there a box retail of Entrenchment? I thought they went digital only, eliminating the option as well as the loophole.

potentially harmful software
Any software that sends [and receives!!] any amount of data over any network regardless of content, source, or destination is potentially harmful software.

You don't feel like a criminal if you have to use car keys to drive your car do you?
My car starts without keys :(

It's you vs the home team in the home team's court.
I've been to enough post-season sporting events to know this means precisely dick. You have your [vocal] group that feels very strongly about this subject [some of you are listed in the Sins credits; making you of questionable inpartiality at best]-- that doesn't mean everyone who reads through this little squabble of ours agrees with _you_.

That said:

Reply #34 Top

Well whatever I'm not mad but I will point out something in your latest rebuttle :P

 

Which means it manages the downloads, making it a "Download Manager". Is there a box retail of Entrenchment? I thought they went digital only, eliminating the option as well as the loophole.

 

Ironclad plans to release an expansion at retail consisting of the miniexpansions, once all 3 of the "miniexpansions" are out. I guess it's just taking longer than they thought :)

Reply #35 Top

Ironclad plans to release an expansion at retail consisting of the miniexpansions, once all 3 of the "miniexpansions" are out. I guess it's just taking longer than they thought

I can't say anything but
1: \o/  
2: I wish I had known that before
3: I don't like waiting :(