UB Spit should not affect towers

The spit is alot weaker then the queens attacks so .. its fine. The oak on the other hand.. should not be able to attack buildings while dead.

no, to extreme lol

how about a no i like to use it againts rooks tower farm. only thing i got that out ranged it since 1 on 1 i have found no way to counter a farm yet with 6-7 towers

Nah, it just needs less range (my new thing to moan about). Its good against towers on all levels.

I don't think it should be able to affect towers.  It's an amazing assassin style skill, why does it also need to push more effectively than the QoT's uproot?

Provide proof that's it's overpowered. Your word is not nearly enough. Finally if you're just gonig to call nerf on a ability as soon as one is changed, please shut up.

On-topic just buff uproot and leave spit alone. Erebus can survive the bite nerf because he has 3 other amazing abilties. UB only has spit as an amazing abiltiy.

It's an acid...

I don't see any problems here.

Logic can't really be used otherwise bite shouldn't work on oak or rook since neither one has flesh. (TB has scorched flesh, but flesh none-the-less.)

are you a real doctor?

You realise spit just does as much damage as uproot, unless the queen has compost, and it's on a much shorter cooldown.

Erebus' bite could suck out their souls to provide health. I'm pretty sure both the Oak and Rook have souls.

EDIT: Spit does slightly less damage than uproot at every level until UB gets putrid flow.

No, let it be. It's not the only DG who has a form of tower attack. Regulus can hit it without being hit by it, rook has Structural Transfer, QoT has Uproot. And in any case, acid spit is not so damaging to the towers...

Taking Spit to a useful rank for destroying towers inevitably means completely dropping either the ooze, health drain/stun or frenzy, all of which are pointless without high or full ranks. I've had trouble getting high weapon damage out of UB from just normal shop equipment, so tend to leave the frenzy which is too short a time for the 0.5 cast time that costs so many near-kills: but is extraordinary once you dip into artifacts. That requires the dicipline of not taking venom spit to begin with, a potential set-back if good enemy players realise you have no ranged; hit and run on UB becomes more viable.

it should not be able to spray at a perso standing at its side.

Not sure if serious....

@Gorgeras a build planning for artifacts is a build planning to fail. The most i've gotten in a actual player vs player match was 3. Although it was crucible 2v2 so what did you expect...

I was originally in support of spit not targeting buildings...but after having put some more games under my belt I don't think spit needs a nerf. If you make spit not effect buildings, UB becomes too squishy to do any kind of dmg to buildings in the early/mid game. Like Erebus' bite, spit may seem overpowered but it is counterable. 

All of the other assassins have good anti building skills of some form. Reg has his mines/range, Rook steals health and smashes, torch can freeze and fireball (which is quite maintainable), and UB can spit. Spit may need a slight dmg reduction, but then it is a DoT and is easily countered by pots, shields, heal, etc. If you ever take it's full dmg, then you haven't properly prepared for your opponent. Bottom line, probably no nerf needed.

As an assassin, I think UB needs spit to really have the ability to push. By not targeting buildings you take that away to a large extent.

I still think Oak shouldn't target buildings in last stand however. He can still push plenty well without last stand.

Spit's range means that he will be hit at least once by the tower, unless there are minions in front of him. Since he is so squishy even one tower hit can cause quite a bit of damage.

delete post please

Spit is needed to push, on second thought, I take away my agreement. The damage could be less on buildings, but that's why we have building regen upgrades. It would remove a powerful side to UB.

Not true; foul grasp is perfectly acceptable if left at level 1.  Its stun duration does not increase, only its damage and life steal.  If you're working with other DG's, this may not even be a significant amount.  Ooze, while hardly optimal, is still useful for attack speed reductions from the first level onwards.  I will agree with you on frenzy, though.

Adding to that Foul grasp at max rank is a massive 1400 mana being the single most expensive ability in the game with the only other demigod that even comes close is TB with fire nova at 1375. Adding to that the max rank of spit is 950 and Unrelenting wrath is 1000. People need to realize UB has massive mana issues compared to other demi-gods. Hit and run tactics aren't optional, they're a necessity.

Point taken on the grasp. Really does make me wonder if it's worth anything more than a interrupt. Wasn't really thinking there as I've certainly never actually taken more than one rank in it.

I've started finding Ooze really sexeh recently though. Quite misunderestimated it.

spit is the only good spit ability

foul grasp is decent

frenzy is subpar

ooze is shitty

nerf spit and ub has nothing really...

Fixed, you really need to see just how slow rank 4 ooze makes someone attack to appreciate it. It's also one of the only moves in the game that's effective for chasing.

Rank 3 foul grasp is only good if you know to never use it unless you're stopping a scroll or potion, or that you're pretty sure you're going to kill them and you use it in a spit / putrid flow + Ooze combo. Generally find a mana giving or reducing artifact works best with him.

Ooze is a wonderful skill (I use an Ooze/grasp build). Its the perfect Creep control which allows for fast levelling, perfect for chasing down the opponent (as soon as they begin to retreat, use grasp to stun and keep them within the Ooze's range for added damage) and at 140DPS is equal to Spits damage all the while slowing down the AS of your opponent.

All you need is the items to offset the 50dps you recieve and its a very nice combination.