Well I dont mind OP as long as I know WHY its OP. Like if class A has an attack that class B is especially vulnerable to and if class A picks up artifact C that weakness or strength is magnified yada yada yada then it makes sense, devs can look at it and rebalance it if they feel its not working as intended. But for the life of me I just cant stand these rare encounters where you find something that just has no explanation and is, as you said, unfun.

Might help if you said what skills he was using, or even the element.

Life steal + fast attacks could also make it feel like you do no damage.

I couldnt tell what he was using, He was point blank range to me and there were no visual cues. Im not familiar with the class so I dont know what combination of skills+items could have achieved that.

Repeated this problem in the last three games. Erebus are unkillable starting from level 3 when fighting a Reg.

Then maybe you should try playing a TB so you can figure out what he's doing.

lol..

he teleports, slows me down, and kills me in about 5-10 seconds. If he lands on 6 mines MAYBE I can kill him. Cant stand toe to toe, cant get away.

I haven't had quite as much trouble against TB... YET... however I've encountered outrageously OP oaks who can evaporate you within a second of appearing out of the fog of war.  I mean you don't even have time to click to run away.  But while extremely unpleasant, at least this happens after some time in the game has passed, so who knows what kind of build he is employing, what kind of mistakes I may have made by that point, yadda yadda.  In other words, while I may not like this sort of affair, I "reserve judgement" for the time being.

However, where I don't reserve judgement is when someone is obviously totally and ridiculously OP FROM THE OUTSET OF THE GAME due to some gimmick or trick he is using, or some OP favor item that you can't equip.  Post back here if you find a case of this.  In particular, if you can mirror TB (or anyont else), and deploy a "reasonable" opening build as I did with Rook in my story above, then get your ass totally handed to you in your first encounter with him where you even outplay him but still get slaughtered, definately post back here.

Okay Annekynn, I was able to only get one online game tonight after hours of trying.  It was against a torchbearer, vs. my rook.  It was a "flag control" type setting, i.e. control flags for X amount of time to win.  As soon as I saw this setting I decided on a "map control" type of strat.  I put all my points into towers first and foremost, with some structure eating ability to keep me healthy, a hammer slam, and a "god ability" (forget the name of it).  My strat was simply to run around capping the flags, then popping up towers to defend them before running off to the next flag.  Also would get flag locks and what not to help further my strat.

Okay, I was ahead by a fair margin with this strat until we both hit level 9.  Then his torchbearer was unstoppable, meaning it would appear out of the fog of war, and before I could even turn around and run I'd just evaporate within a second.  I wouldn't even have time to instantly click on a teleport scroll and teleport out.  In other words, screw fighting the bastard, I couldn't even get away if that's all I was trying to do, even if I loaded up on teleport scrolls.

The guy went all ice.  I don't know what all that entails (I'm sure many things), but one of his abilities was the ice storm thingy that would fall from the sky.

As a general balance statement about the game, I don't think that any character should be able to evaporate any other character in the game within a second or two if both characters are the same level, or close to the same level.  I especially don't think this should be possible if the player being evaporated has deployed what most would say is a "reasonable build."  Now, should one player be able to beat another player?  Of course they should - that goes without saying.  Should a player be able to evaporate another player within a second or two if the evaporated player has leveled significantly less than the evaporating player?  Sure, I guess.  But I don't know why it should be possible to evaporate a same-level character within a second or two, especially if the same-level character has a "reasonable build."

At any rate, was the guy slaughtering you fire or ice (you may have already stated this, but I don't have it at my fingertips)?

Torch is waaaaaaay better then regulus

feeding also exist in other games where kills can give power to the enemy team, like Tremulous, Gloom and Natural Selection. 

As TB player myself (and i am not that good, really) i think Ice is the thing that kills enemy DG better. There are many debuffs involved and the combo Ice Rain, Frostnova, Shatter is a bit harder to pull of, but quite deadly. Especially if he jumps you.

Fire does more raw damage, but has way less control. Fireball does 1300 damage at max, and strangely artefacts seem to add to that damage. Add Nova vor 800 and you got quite a punch.

BUT the most damaging thing a TB can do (if time and money permits) is train Fire Aura (adds weapon damage), the upgrades in the bottom row (weapon damage and haste) and stack damage and haste items. With that, Mageslayer and Namoks Ring you are doing about 400+ damage every half a second and regenerating about 60+ HP per hit. Thats 800+ dps and 120+ HP/sec regen*. It is still deadly, even when armor gets involved.

*The best i personally got going was 570 damage every 0.53 seconds with 18% Life Drain against a Rook.

All that said, i have never won a game against a Regulus. Thats how much i suck.

At this point all I want to see is some sort of combat log so I can see what it is im being hit with. The more information we have the easier it is to diagnose potential problems.

What were your team-mates doing during these times? If, as has been theorised, this TB was being fed by retarded/AI team-mates then he could have easily had an artifact or two. I've been able to melt people in a single Fireball + Auto attack before but only when they were 3 or more levels below me and when I had the two best gloves and an artifact or two. It does kinda sound like you're being the victim of some sort of glitch or exploit.

I've only ever played on Pantheon and have never seen this behaviour before. Maybe try playing on there if you're not already and if you are, then there's no harm in actually asking. Shift + Enter = chat to all...

Well I admit when im wrong, its NOT torch bearer, its Lord Erebus. My apology to all the TB fans, got you mixed up. Edited title and original post.

Its the ability Bite.

Yeah..I was going WTF....The title says Erebus and everyone is talking about TB..

Quite frankly I don't know how to stop a Mist/Bite Erebus without using Sedna. Or double teaming, obviously.

I can't wait for the rematch I like the buff erebus has gotton and is one of the Demigods I don't enjoy playing unless they don't know how to retreat and one tip for you erebus players going up against a regulus that has a mine build when you come out of that mist mines do hurt

Actually the erebus players I see never use the mist. Just bat swarm for teleport, mass charm for stun, bite for damage/heal and root and then whack me till I drop. Even if after the stun I get my mines off the damage is not enough to kill them or even make a dent.

Personally, as an Erebus player, I've seen/encountered very few Reg's who can stop me dead. Erebus just seems to be a character who does well against Regulus. My advice? Avoid Erebus and let someone tank him while you stand back and pew pew. Also using towers (especially early game) helps. Kite him around them, hide behind them, ect. Try buying boots of speed (1000 gold) to get a speed boost and help you get away from him. Don't try direct confrontation if you see he has full minions with him (two healers, two seiges, two minotaurs, plus night walkers). That is basically asking for death. Hope this helps

"Erebus just seems to be a character who does well against Regulus."

Towers dont help. Me + 2 towers + 20 minions = I lose, Erebus survives with half health and flies away. His minions are just a reserve army of death and he never needs to use them against me as by himself he is plenty superior.

My question then is, what light class does very well against Erebus and is Demigod supposed to be designed in a rock paper scissors approach or are all demigods supposed to have an equal chance against one another?

Given that some flags give bonuses such as +10% damage received by opposing team and -15% to cool downs timers and the fact that equipment can make you into a glass canon or a tank or somewhere in between, I think it is quite possible for a demigod of an equal level to quickly kill another.

If you play a glass canon and the other peson manages to stun you, you're a sitting duck waiting to be killed. I tend to load up on armor when I play regulus and by the late game I can often tank demigods one on one and win.

It is much easier to run away and save your gold for elite items. I used to play dota so I will always stand where I can run to the nearest tower for strong damage from two sources( me and the tower).  Just like in dota, priority is to not die.  If you don't die you will notice you will have lots of gold because dying took gold away in DotA.  I never really checked if dying took away gold in demigod( haven't really died enough to care).  This game is all about strategy and building your demigod to the way you like it while making it godly with the most expensive pieces of armor you can get. You cant just buy the cheapest stuff and expect to be noticable stronger.