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Why the future doesnt need us

Superintelligent AI and the Singularity

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What happens when we create the first AI that is more intelligent then the average human? Well, with technological progress at the pace it is today it will only take us 2 decades to acomplish this.

So what happens then? Do we hope we didnt make a mistake and live our lives letting the AI enhance themselves further and further. Or do we stop and think about what the consequences might be. We never know when a simple math problem asigned to a super intelligent entity might cause the extinction of the human race.

So, heres a questions. Should technological progress become more limited?
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Reply #351 from Sins Forums Top
Oh here comes you again...
Reply #352 from Sins Forums Top
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Reply #353 from Sins Forums Top
lol... I was scanning this and I wish I haven't, I have a few comments:

1) If you have scientific proof, SHOW YOUR SOURCES! I could say it's been scientifically proven that up is down and that tomorrow it will rain apple pie, but just because I said science proved it does not mean that it is true.

2) Until we find a way to remove resistance of the flow of electricity in memory and other parts, I'm pretty sure (I'm guessing) that there is no way to create a human brain. First of all, a brain has it own electricity running through itself. Second, we have unlimited capacity to do whatever we want, we have nothing to keep us from doing something besides willpower, which I doubt computers will ever have.

3) the answer is 42.

I;d continue, but I gotta sprint to class... So long and thanks for all the fish.
Reply #354 from Sins Forums Top
Second, we have unlimited capacity to do whatever we want, we have nothing to keep us from doing something besides willpower, which I doubt computers will ever have.


Um... yeah, right. Suuuuure we do.
Reply #355 from Sins Forums Top

Second, we have unlimited capacity to do whatever we want, we have nothing to keep us from doing something besides willpower, which I doubt computers will ever have.


Um... yeah, right. Suuuuure we do.


We can... if I wanted to I could strip naked, light myself on fire, run over to where you live and burn yourself down. We have unlimited capacity to do stupid, absolutely random actions that make no sense. However, computers will be defined by their programming, even if a computer could write a program, it would be forced to write what we tell it to, since the nature of a computer is to do calculations given by an input. Meanwhile, if we asked a human to do those same calculation, most likely that person will just tell you to go away.
Reply #356 from Sins Forums Top
to answer the question proposed in at the start of this topic... no technology and science should not be limited. Nor for that matter should our own self defense instincts.


People are nervous about AI's... fine... we'll listen to that and put the AI in chains... but don't stop building it.
Reply #357 from Sins Forums Top
the answer is 42.


That it is.

Now where'd I up my towel?
Reply #358 from Sins Forums Top
Now where'd I up my towel?


haha, now you cant edit it
Reply #359 from Sins Forums Top
haha, now you cant edit it


Damn you Eets(gasp I was about to call you Kosc)

I dont want anyone knowing I do that to my towels!!
Reply #360 from Sins Forums Top


Second, we have unlimited capacity to do whatever we want, we have nothing to keep us from doing something besides willpower, which I doubt computers will ever have.


Um... yeah, right. Suuuuure we do.


We can... if I wanted to I could strip naked, light myself on fire, run over to where you live and burn yourself down. We have unlimited capacity to do stupid, absolutely random actions that make no sense. However, computers will be defined by their programming, even if a computer could write a program, it would be forced to write what we tell it to, since the nature of a computer is to do calculations given by an input. Meanwhile, if we asked a human to do those same calculation, most likely that person will just tell you to go away.


Say what you mean, that way you mean what you say. What you said was that we had an unlimited ability to do anything we want to with the application of willpower. OK, I'm going to will myself into some brand new wings...

That said, back on your original post, humans are the ultimate self programing remotes, but nothing says we can't make self-reprogramming computers. We just haven't figured out the secret to that yet.
Reply #361 from Sins Forums Top


Say what you mean, that way you mean what you say. What you said was that we had an unlimited ability to do anything we want to with the application of willpower. OK, I'm going to will myself into some brand new wings...

That said, back on your original post, humans are the ultimate self programing remotes, but nothing says we can't make self-reprogramming computers. We just haven't figured out the secret to that yet.


Well, not technically just out of willpower to grow spontaneously wings, but we could find out how we could genetically modify ourselves to grow wings if we knew enough about ourselves.

The problem is that Computers are completely logical. Humans are not. Computers can only be as creative as we are when they have the ability to have insights and know from experience from past data. I think I killed the tenses in that last sentence, but hopefully you get it. Remember humans only use about 20% of their Grey stuff (or is it 40%?). Point is it isn't much, but we invented amazing things already!
Reply #362 from Sins Forums Top
Remember humans only use about 20% of their Grey stuff (or is it 40%?). Point is it isn't much, but we invented amazing things already!


I live in Philadelphia and I can tell ya people here use less then 1% of their grey stuff.

case in point, on the news a woman was crying that her son was shot in a driveby shooting, oh boo hoo, come forward and tell who shot my son


she was wearing a "DON'T SNITCH" tee shirt!
Reply #363 from Sins Forums Top
Remember humans only use about 20% of their Grey stuff (or is it 40%?). Point is it isn't much, but we invented amazing things already!


Um, I thought it was 8%...
Reply #364 from Sins Forums Top
I only use 2%, I have a LOT of grey stuff.



keep in mind that doesnt mean you can get smarter by activating more, it simply means you cannot pay attention to a hundred things or more.
Reply #365 from Sins Forums Top

Remember humans only use about 20% of their Grey stuff (or is it 40%?). Point is it isn't much, but we invented amazing things already!


Um, I thought it was 8%...


Um, this is about as wrong as it gets.

If your brain would only use 8% of it, you would be already dead. If it would only use 40% of it, you would be severely handicapped.

This myth (we only use XX% of our brain) was created by Scientology to sell their stuff, it has no base in reality at all.

We always use our brain to 100% (any part which wouldn't be used would be basically dead). This doesn't mean that training and exercise doesn't improve ones abilities, it only means that you don't use "more" of your brain, it just means that you've got more synapses and a different wiring of the brain cells.
Reply #366 from Sins Forums Top
Van you're defining "dont use" as "dont ever use", which is true that if you only "didnt ever use" 10% of your brain you would be dead, but you only really use "at a time" a certain portion.
Reply #367 from Sins Forums Top
Van you're defining "dont use" as "dont ever use", which is true that if you only "didnt ever use" 10% of your brain you would be dead, but you only really use "at a time" a certain portion.


Well, my source (which isn't in English) attributes it to Scientology, but it can be wrong with that. But read this source here which is about this myth in the USA and gives some other sources. Even though, it's still a myth.
Reply #368 from Sins Forums Top
Brain imaging research techniques such as PET scans (positron emission tomography) and fMRI (functional magnetic resonance imaging) clearly show that the vast majority of the brain does not lie fallow. Indeed, although certain minor functions may use only a small part of the brain at one time, any sufficiently complex set of activities or thought patterns will indeed use many parts of the brain. Just as people don't use all of their muscle groups at one time, they also don't use all of their brain at once. For any given activity, such as eating, watching television, making love, or reading Skeptical Inquirer, you may use a few specific parts of your brain. Over the course of a whole day, however, just about all of the brain is used at one time or another.


see, the guy has misread into to myth, thinking it means "in total"

well duh its not 10% total, then by evolutionary stressors our brains would be (gasp) 1/10 the size.
Reply #369 from Sins Forums Top
[quote] I only use 2%, I have a LOT of grey stuff. [/quot]

You are Schod the All Knowing.

You know we are studying overconfidence in Psych right now. Its not just you being a jerk sometimes Schem, it is common trait in all people. We always think we know more then we actually do, and thanks to Hindsight bias even if we are wrong we tell ourselves we were 'almost right'.

Oh and to end the little brain contreversy, our complext thought processes only use at most 10% on average of our brains total computing potential. Thats what it basicly means. You could have multiple computations or thoughts going on, but each one can only use 10% or so. Sometimes a little more, but thats only in 'special' cases.
Reply #370 from Sins Forums Top
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haha, now you cant edit it
Reply #371 from Sins Forums Top
what is with doing that?
Reply #372 from Sins Forums Top
Oh I knew I made that mistake, didnt care about changing it though