Aggressiveness problem

First of all, let me say that I'm a huge fan of the game. But what troubles me is the aggressiveness factor in the AI. Some like fighting everything, and complain that the AI isn't aggressive enough. Well, I DON'T. There wasn't a single game where one of my neighbouring empires wasn't a huge bully that kept on harassing me, even on gigantic maps. I mean, let me enjoy my empire-building without having to constantly defend myself against a superior foe.

So fine, I shouldn't receive my winnings on silver platter, I agree, and other empires really can pass me along and become greater than I am. But WHY every single game this empire happens to be right next door to me?!? I thought that the AI is supposed to treat other AI's the same as the human player, but every game one of neighbours keeps pestering me. Even on gigantic maps where there should be some empires long away from mine. Yet the huge bullies are always picking on me, which reminds me of high-school all over again

I want to enjoy a nice game, not constantly fight a losing battle. I really don't like combat. At all. But I don't want to fight a complete dummy by lowering the difficulty level. What I say is: please, oh, please, Stardock, consider adding an aggressiveness option to the game in the future, so people like me could enjoy their game of behind-the-scenes backstabbing and trading, and people who enjoy fighting would have their bloodshed right from the start. Thank you.
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I think you have just had a run of bad luck. I've had games where everyone got along well. Except the Drengin where on again off again war with the Terran alliance. But other than that everyone else got along well. In the end it was one huge intergalactic trading game for me. So many trade routes going in all directions, that half my income was from trade. At one stage I was so reliant on trade that if I where to go at war with just one race, I would start spending more than I earn

No one declared war on me. I declared war on and destroyed one race becauese I wanted his planets (we wern't trading much), and I had to declare war on the drengin because I was allied with the Terran.

In the end I killed off the drengin and won with an alliance victory with 3 other races.

Try choosing your opponents so that the majority are the same ethics as you (probably all good/neutral). I think that mightt make a difference. Also, make sure you are super nice with your neighbours (give them gifts every now and then, plus regular trade), and setup trade routes nice and early.
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I have the opposite problem. No one ever picks a fight with me. I don't like to start fights, but I like to do them, so I kind of try to get the opponents to fight me at times. I think it has something to do with the fact that I am always neutral, and so I don't have any natural enemies like good and evil civilizations have. Try being Neutral and building up a sizable army, and no-one will try to push you around.

EDIT: Also, trade with all of the civs. This keeps them from wanting to pick a fight. Research up the Trade tree, and Xeno Ethics, and get Neutral Shipping, and you will have 13-14 trade routes before you know it.
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A big part of whether or not the AI goes to war with you depends upon how many ships you have (and how powerful they are). Maintain a large fleet, and races will rarely go to war with you. If you are significantly weaker than they, then the A.I. will decide to bully you around. Building a spin control center on a planet with a fleet above it will make that fleet look more tough to the A.I.

However, I do feel A.I. agressiveness does need to be toned down. I've played far too many games where allying with any one race is a death sentance; they cycle their wars with each other such that you can find yourself at war with a good portion of the galaxy.
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Given enough time on any size map, your cultural borders wil always clash with other empires, every square inch of the map will be claimed. So your always going to have (usually) more than one neighbour.

The single biggest bit of help i can give to anyone wishing to play on the hardest difficulty level and still win is to make sure youve got the most powerful economy ingame. That usually means at the start choosing the 30% economics bonus. Your economy influences everything else (by means of the spending sliders) and once youve got that up to a 100% and your still raking in the cash your well on the way. A few dedicated manufacturing and research planet(s) and all too soon the game will be to easy for you.
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In recent games, I have had fairly good luck with a semi mean little trick. YMMV of course.

I have found that if a race is starting to pester me a bit, I can usually trade them a tech or two (I tend to be a major tech trader) for a bunch of their ships. Usually this will give me the military presense to get them to back off, and weaken their own military.

A few games, after doing this, I immediately trade all those ships to anybody who is at war with the bully. I'm sure it sucks for him to trade his ships to a supposedly neutral player only to have them show up as his sworn enemies one turn later
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Well, i love combat, but i can't stand combat all the time, i love a good old peaceful time to build up my empire, but the thing i have noticed is that i read the beginner guide and created a race that it specified and i got a cultural victory and i never fired a shot.

It was with those evil monkeys (not sure what they are called), well, in the beginning, they declared war on me, so i had to mass-produce Defenders (which is all we both had) and i never had to use them, within like 10-15 turns, they begged for peace and from then on, he was giving me gifts and stuff like that.

The AI is aggressive, overly aggressive especially when they are stronger and it can be very annoying at times, but hey, it is impossible to make a perfect AI for a game.
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If you do not wish to be attacked watch the military ranking graph and make sure you are in the top 3 and the Ai will choose to fight the weaker races, also never ever under any circumstances put my favorite race of maniacs in your game the Drengin I also have had nasty experiences with the yor making suicidal declarations of war on me inspite of a huge advantage in my favor so if you avoid both the yor & drengin in your game that will probably help good or neutral they just seem to be extremely unfriendly in general
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But the Drengin and Yor are fun. Especially when they ally and start rampaging through the galaxy.

Another way to stay in good terms with the races is to make sure your alignment matches those of the dominate races. Good sticks together, Neutrals tend to not bug each other and generally evil only starts attacking each other after all the other races are wiped out.
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Yeah this has happened to me various times in the games. I was focusing on winning via spreading my goodness to the entire universe and all of a sudden in one turn I have the Altarians, Torians and Terrans declaring war on me (and one of them was on the other corner of the map, they kept attacking my well defended Economic Starbases which the Acreans gave me), and I did remember when talking to other AIs they kept saying I was weak since I didn't have a fleet since I was concentrating on trading and influence techs and I had virtually 0 military. Yeah, I know that in the deep recesses of space you shouldn't expect everyone to be all nice but... I found this to be ridiculous... doesn't the AI have morals... never hit a guy with glasses, no low blows, no biting... that sort of thing, I would expect this from the Drengin
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Phew, I tried posting this thread for three times until I finally gave up and posted in someone else's thread, instead, only to see that the forum DID get my posts afterall. OOPS...

Anyway, thank you very much for your suggestions, people! I especially liked ChrisGrenard's advice on the ship-trading. I'll try that for sure!

Guys, I know that you have to be on top to survive, but the minute that someone surpasses me, even if I'm in the top 3 places, they start getting cool and find reasons to get into a war with me, no matter what I try to do. And it always happen to be that those huge and powerful empires that are much stronger than everyone else is right on my doorstep every single game. They always find our borders threatening, and pester me. Not even getting to the top place in military helps. On the contrary: those bullies enter an arms-race with me and cause me to lose alot of money and neglect all of my goals just to keep up with the arms race, until I get sucked into a very unwanted war. I wish just to be left alone for a while, and that's the problem.
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Guys, I know that you have to be on top to survive, but the minute that someone surpasses me, even if I'm in the top 3 places, they start getting cool and find reasons to get into a war with me, no matter what I try to do. And it always happen to be that those huge and powerful empires that are much stronger than everyone else is right on my doorstep every single game. They always find our borders threatening, and pester me. Not even getting to the top place in military helps. On the contrary: those bullies enter an arms-race with me and cause me to lose alot of money and neglect all of my goals just to keep up with the arms race, until I get sucked into a very unwanted war. I wish just to be left alone for a while, and that's the problem.


If you're in the top three on the military strength chart and other races are still going "cool" on you, then try setting up trade routes with them. Trade is a great way to damp down hostility and redirect it to another faction. And it will also pump more cash into your economy. Once you get some steady trade going, the other factions will probably start sending their own trade freighters to your systems, which will (I think?) add even more of those little "+" signs in the Relations screen.

But don't neglect military deterrence, because that has to be part of the equation. I can almost always keep everyone off me with a combination of military strength and trade. If your economy is really strong, you can also bribe them away..... but I always consider that more of a desperation move, unless you just really enjoy playing the diplomatic angles more than economic/military strategies.