I rarely see QoTs and these almost exclusively use Ground Spikes and only Shield themselves which does not count as support.

This is my observation on EU servers, perhaps it's different on USA servers?

I know it's p2p, it's just that most of the time EU players and USA players don't mix.

Obscenitor, CelMare:

• Please post how often you play the QoT where you extensively Shield your teammates vs. how often you play Senda where you extensively Heal your teammates.
• Please post how often you get Shielded by a QoT in your team vs. the number how often you get Healed by a Sedna.

I am so very very curious.

I'll do a formal test when we finish up this l4d round (gogo steam browswer).

*I did test out armor and you're right, though I posted it in the wrong thread

I don't know what you mean by extensively.  The last time I had a good QoT on my team I sent up against a very solid premade and we won because I was shielded every time we got into combat. Every time I've ever won with QoT she had shielded me when I needed it.

Here's what I don't understand:

You say that QoT only shields herself, implying shielding herself is worth the effort/mana, so I don't follow the logic that leads you to conclude that it's not worth shielding partners. The only reason why QoT wouldn't shield partners is because she's using mana on spikes, which leads in a better direction than a shield vs. heal comparison, which is a shield+spikes vs. pounce+heal dialogue.

Also let's be honest - sedna quite often doesn't really even have to heal because of the rank 3 priest idol bug, so to me the whole thing is apples to oranges.

I think that reducing priest heals via the rank 3 bug fix (and honestly I think the idols themselves should be nerfed too) will force sedna to heal more, which will result in greater mana consumption, which will reduce pounce damage output, which will help bring QoT up to speed given that her autoattack (if it weren't bugged) blows sedna's out of the water in utility.

I don't think you'd have gotten any argument at all really if you'd just said that QoT is less powerful than sedna at the moment, but trying to reduce the discussion of that disparity to a direct comparion between shield and heals is something most everyone will object to.

Cos' you wrote qoute, which isn't quite the correct way to write quote.

But wadda I know, English no is being first language.

Quick explanation, Quote != Qoute

Well saying either one is better since the ability to remove debuffs at rank 3 heal is hard to quantify. If it weren't for that secondary effect I would confidently say that shields are better than heals because they don't overlap with priest heals (I've healed myself up to 90% health as and then been healed for 1300 by my priest a moment later) and can be applied before combat on multiple allies.

I think you see few support QoTs for reasons other than shield's deficiency. Shields are less intuitive and QoT tends to spend more mana on offense than Sedna. It's obvious when the correct time to heal is - when people are low on health, but with shielding you can easily waste mana. Better players will anticipate damage and then shields really shine.

I've never seen a spike assassin build that skips shield, though I've seen plenty of assassin QoTs who spend too much mana on spike wave and ground spikes to be able to cast shield on me reliably, but that's because of QoT's offensive setup, not her support/defensive setup.

Again I disagree, she is a DG killer, but she's got to be a bit sneakier about it... come in last, open already shielded... spike close, AA some while pets work mulch the low ones get other demigod low < 50% for 750 open spike for a bunch spike wave again (kill the poor bastard you weren't even targetting who was fleeing past you) and then run after (once the AA attack bug is fixed she'll easily kill some this way)  AND if you have the cloak of night warp with 4 shamblers on top open or closed for another 750 mulching or spike and WHAM WTF just happened... similiar to but different from the sedna Port pounce kill..