Yeah, I always wondered why some guides on here argued against HoL. You were insane if u didn't buy it (or lost a lot).

Had to be nerfed but not worth getting now.

Cheaper items do a much better job.

Makes the game better but not really sure what the point of keeping it ingame since it will never be bought.

The item was made way, WAY more situational. On large maps you may very well find yourself buying this item still. On the smaller ones there are now other considerations.

Good games are all about interesting choices. The HoL was a tad powerful. I bought the game yesterday and only got to play around with it a bit, and wow... That item was godlike. Right now the item has you thinking twice before buying it. The choice now is to safe or buy something else. It is interesting enough for me.

the only problem with items would be when they are som much nerfed that no one would ever buy them. Right now I think it is too soon to say that you do not want to buy this item, ever. For most cookie cutter strategies that would be a fairly accurate statement, but I am sure that when the time is right, the HoL may still be the best item your money could get you. Some one with a little more fantasy than I have may think of some situation where that would happen.

All I am saying is that you need to look at the whole game and accept that items have a niche. The situations where you want this item have been greatly reduced, making you look at other options. I applaud any such change since I despise cookie cutter strategies.

I´m glad the item is now much more expensive since it was a pain for anyone playing against a melee demigod who got some lucky kills early on and then bought the HoL, making him unstoppable on the field without pause.

Instead they maybe should have split the item into two new ones:

Heart of Life (as the name intended): just heal "life" back in a certain amount, maybe the way it was for 5000 gold

Heart of Mana: just restoring mana (more interesting for the mana intensive demigod players), cost a bit cheaper, around 3500 gold !

I like the idea of two seperate items, however it would still create the same problem if they were readily available. The HoL shouldn't be available so easily or so early as it was - it really changes the game once you've got one and it has numerous side effects.

I think the current situation reflects it's importance; it's costly and takes a while to get and you can't use it as frequently. Whether or not it's too expensive right now isn't something we can argue untill we've played more and see how it's changed up the make up of the game being that every play doesn't, or can't, buy one. Having to chose between this and Damage dealing Artifacts when you have enough money adds strategy to it's use - you can have HoL, however you won't be able to get Mage Slayer, for example, for a quite a while longer if you do. Which would you chose?

There is a difference between magnus rod and the proposed item. One increases mps by 50% and reduces skill cost by 50% for 5 seconds. The other actually restores mana.

Magnus rod benefits those who stack mps and skill spam, such as TB. "Heart of Mana" would benefit DG like UB, who usually only use 1 or 2 mana costing skills and don't skill spam or stack mps as much and rely on AA for the majority of their damage.

So yeah, the only one who looks stupid right now is you for being an ass and wrong at the same time.

I have np with anbything except the cost. its just so hard to save 12k after needing to buy a helm,chest,feet,and hands. i mean i get 2 chests 2 boots and a helm. by then i am close to 10. my games last tipically end at 10 or so.i usually get like 25 to 30 gold total a game hmm after cital upgrades those items i get plus i usually get wand of speed no way i get mage slayer typically yet have 12k to get hol as is now.

Simple: is too expensive to make it useful. I prefer saving another 3k and get better artefacts. It should cost 8k.

Point in case, HorseCum sucks,

HoL imbalanced shit, im glad they changed it, they shouldnt have made it another useless item though...

Everything should do 1 dmg. Game fixed.

I tried this thing out a bit since it used to be such an important item for me, and suffice it to say I wasn't impressed.  As was mentioned the mana gained is actually provided as mana per second, so if you ever had a decent % mana increasing item the old version gave you 100% mana back anyway, making the increased mana useful only if you're interrupted.

As for the health, it's nice but I'll just stick to potions now, and I'll almost definitely buy a cloak of elfenkind of save up for the bulwark before choosing to buy this item.

That being said there's some strats that'll make good use of it, probably mostly on maps with multiple cooldown flags by characters with the staff of renewal or magnificent presence.  It's not useless, but it's clearly nowhere near what it used to be.

The Item Shop AND Artifact Shop needs reworking. Once I have all my lower ~1500gold gear, if I have ~4k, I don't know what to really spend it on, other than cit upgrades.

I understoond well and clear, and as I said you don't understand that the change that was made - cost, cooldown and all - was for the best. It wasn't over-nerfed in any stretch of the imagination. If the item was intended to be available to every player on the field, devolving the combat in focus fire matches of who can stack the most teams on a single enemy Demigod to prevent them from using their Heart of Life, then the change wouldn't have been so extreme. However, it's fairly obvious the items intention was to be a situational item - useful for front line Demigods with support - however not so readily available that it's abuse leads to it's owner performing 15 second hit and runs, with the round trip time enough to trigger the HoL to ensure that it's an endless cycle.

It's far from useless - it still did what it did before. If you have one, you'll still use it. The difference now is that it's something you need to progress towards in a match as apart of your strategy, not something a player with a few early kills gets a hold of 4 minutes into the game and then dominates the match because they don't have to retreat from the field until they rush-upgrade to Giants. It's no longer the central part of your entire gameplay strategy, where you must have one to compete.

You seem to not be able to grasp this concept. The HoL does a lot more than just remove the need to return to the Health Crystal. It removes your dependancy on potions, a side effect of which is being on the field longer and thus acquring more Gold and more XP than players without it. If you're also able to retreat, pop HoL, and come back in swinging - it's essentially a second life against stronger opponents, or multiple opponents. It changes the dynamic of the game entirely for it's owner, and now it's cost reflects the significance of the change. People who don't buy it now are the people who never had a strategic use for it to begin with - they just spammed it's use where possible to dominate the opposition as soon as possible.