So, what are Oaks end game weaknesses? Sedna? Regulus? Rook?

Regulus is much like UB, items through gold is what makes them tough. Ever play an ooze build when you are up against competent players? When gold is tough to come by then your ooze build isn't happening.

I'm just a little leary of calling out the nerf bat on demigods. We saw it with Erebus and within a week, threads started about mist being OP as well. Hell regulus constantly has threads made about both snipe and mines being OP. Now UB has threads about its armour, HP, and damage (journal), ooze, and spit. When will it end?

 

The only problem I really have with beast is that HP trumps all. He doesn't have to make build choices like other demiigods. Just get 7k+ health and it's gg. Almost every other Demigod has to balance mana regen, damage, and maybe a little armor depending on the build or who they are forced to counter.

Beast just rolls everyone with cheap HP items.

lol you can multi-stack the same item - likes 3 helms at once?

 

wtf? 

 

that need to be fixed straight away surely? never mind game balance it's just too lame for words..

 

 

 

 

lol - I only bought the game 2 days ago

And of course it needs to be fixed - you have one head so can wear one helm at a time - how difficult is that to understand when you are designing a game?

In what RPG/RTS or MMORPG can a unit/player stack different armor on the same location at the same time? 

I mean that's just an EPIC FAIL in terms of game design 101..

And then the multiple stacking causes  'balance issues' - who would have thought?

 

 

Okay, so here it is:

1) This is a team game. Unless you are playing 1on1, noone cares how an UB eats up any demigod. You just do not fight an UB in meelee alone, unless you have backup on the way and you staying there is part of the plan.

2) HP stacking goes both ways, so if he can get 7k, then you can get that too. Theres no way he can kill you if you have 7k HP and do not take stupid risks. Sure, if he gets his dirty pawn on an ashkandor, slayer's wraps, mage slayer combo, then you are kinda screwed, as he will kill you in like 4 hits if hes lucky with crits. Nonetheless... if you let the game drag out that long, and you do not have similar gear then you did something very-very wrong.

I've seen UBs dominate games, but quite frankly.. i've seen other classes dominate the game even more. Rook, Sedna, Oak spring into mind. Why? Because most games never get to the point where you can afford an ashkandor without giving up on upgrades completely (and as such giving the game away to the other team), and the above mentioned three demigods can become extremely powerful from using just their abilities and do not depend on a 25k gold item build to dominate you.

So yea.. an UB in late game can kick your a** if he is good and you try to fight it 1on1. Does it make the UB overpowered? Hardly.. he is meant to be kickass in meelee, nothing OP there. As for UB winning 2on1. Maybe against noobs, or a really unfortunate combination of demigods. The demigods would need to have both low damage and low health to be a possible target for the UB, otherwise he risks getting owned. Two demigods means twice the abilities you are risking, twice the burst damage you are risking, and quite frankly.. around lvl18, most demigods can easily burst for at lesat 1k HP, or even more. They do that at the start of the fight, keep hitting you for a while, then even if you still have 2-3k hp left, you will have to leave or you risk dying to the second burst when the cooldowns are up.

Yes, it is a team game. This doesnt mean there cant be imbalance though? If its a 2v2 situation, the side with the UB will have the advantage (late game) as he has 7k+ hp and has very high DPS.


I wont blame you for not reading all my posts here - there is quite a lot to read. But I have repeatedly been saying that although any other Demigod can stack up armour items, the UB can do it most effectively because:
A ) He needs no mana items. His ooze/auto attack does very high damage and it costs no mana. The only thing that will be draining a BIT of mana is the spit you do every now and then. Even with that, one half-decent mana item can totally solve this problem.
B ) Other Demigods NEED mana items to be as effective as UB. You cannot have a Torchbearer who stacks only Armour/HP items like the UB because where will he get his DPS from? From spells that cost mana, right? Therefore he needs mana items to be effective, and UB doesnt, meaning UB can easily stack more HP. Not to mention UB has the highest Armour in the game and one of the highest HP.


First of all Im not really saying the UB himself is OP. He isnt, and thats why early-mid game he is fine. Its just the fact that he cant stack so much Armour items and more then any ther Demigod because he doesnt need any mana to deal out very high DPS.

The problem is that HP scales alot better then dps, itemwise. It's just a fact. There are some insane late game dps/crit items, but they are very expensive, and most games wont even see them. However you can nicely scale up using several hp/armor that all are around 1500-2000g, throughout the game. Even DGs with good auto-attacks can't compete with a hp/armor build. Regulus almost can, Oak maybe. But this is an item design problem. To many hp items, too few dps items.

Then there is the skills of different DGs. Some need alot of mana to be effective: TB for example. These will have atleast 2 slots less for health or dps items. You'll still need 1 mana slot as an Beast though. I haven't found a pure Ooze build to be effective. Then there are the builds that can use HoL in battle, these can even run a 0 mana item (maybe UB boots, which has hp/mana) to stack even more health: Oak, Erebus, QoT can do this.

I was for the Erebus nerf but this is just ridiculous imo.     If I had to nerf another demigod I would put multiple demigods ahead of UB to be nerfed first. 

 

     the whole purpose of UB is that if you stand toe to toe with him he will be the toughest demigod.  thats all UB has going for him he has no other game winning strategies and its nowhere close to being gamebreaking imo(compared to some other demigod abilities which just win the game).      And the truth is UB isnt even the toughest demigod to fight 1vs1 imo.

The manual is a joke - one of the least informative I've ever read actually.

 

And I've just looked at it again - nowhere does it say that armor 'stacks' so you can wear multiple pieces at once.

So of course unless you bother to find these forums you'll never find that out. Maybe I'll be able to beat up Oak 1v1 on hard AI with QoT now

Out of interest does the AI stack armor/items like this?

 

And is there a pause button for play vs AI's?

 

Obv. the game is great fun even when you just start out but the manual is terrible and a bad manual just makes the learning curve worse..

 

I'm sorry to drag this out, but it very clearly states exactly that on page 7, under the heading The Arena.

 

I actually think UB does get quite ridiculous with crit stacking at end-game, if it gets to that point you are quite likely in for a loss.  UB can play conservatively and essentially just plan a war of attrition until he becomes super-powered. 

Crit stacking can barely dent people that have enough armor on... as such it isn't stupid (if you prepare for it)

Thought I'd chime in here. I'm a ok to good UB player. I've played all the demigods though hard and won if that matters. My ranking online isn't too shabby.

The reason people get pissed off with UB beast is they don't equip properly to counter him. A good UB player will completely tear apart any noob player. But thats true for any Demigod pretty much. As stated above UB is one of the easier gods to learn and maybe thats why we are seeing all the moaning.

Ok so how do you counter UB? First realize that a spit+ooze combo is a one trick pony. A good UB player usually picks ooze OR Spit. Picking both gimps you. UB will either go health or damage... health being the most popular. Here are some strategies based on various DG's which do frustrate the hell out of me as an UB.

1) You see UB, pick a speed build. Speed is your friend. UB has no range attacks (outside of spit.. and spint isn't that far). Just stay the hell away from him early game, decide when to engage mid and late game.

2) Reg: You have the range advantage. Keep your speed up and you can't be killed, all the time doing damage to UB. Stay away from UB beginning and mid game till you have upped auto attack and gone glass cannon with +crit items. A lvl 15+ Reg with crit miltplying items tears UB a new one.

3) Rook. A Garden tower rook wins against UB. Every time. I hate rooks when I play UB. If the rook is smart and goes Tower build, I can't beat him. Again, this is all solo... this is a team game. Any 2 DG's can easily overwealm a equally leveled solo DG every time if played correctly.

4) Oak. Oak is squishy beginning to mid. Late game oak is unstopable. See the pattern here?

5) Sedna. A heal sedna can't kill a Ub, but UB can't kill Sedna either. Hold till a partner comes. Pull the UB back into a tower if you can (and hes that stupid) If sedna has minnions the UB will most likely go after the priests first then the others. Keep mana to summon new priests and heal yourself. Its a complete standoff.

6) Erebus: go + mana items, go mist build. You'll force UB to move away. You might not kill him, but he won't kill you.

When you play against UB your TEAM's job is to stop UB from leveling. Be fast, be smart, don't die. UB is weak against towers and ranged attacks. Don't go toe to toe with him. A good UB won't engage in range of enemy towers. If he does, hes usually in trouble, or hes confident hes got enough health to outlast the damage. If hes confident, pull him into the tower, have a waiting partner pop out of the fog and slaughter him.

In summary UB is a very strong 1vs1 player but he can be countered 1vs1. In a 2vs2 game UB is the weak part of the chain since he doesnt lend alot to a team. The most devistating 2 player combos don't include UB.

Oh and to adress the OP,late game is all about items. TB, Oak, Reg for instance will toast UB at lvl 20. Go heavy burst damage and UB is in trouble late game. UB's ability damage is all done over time. Its easy to beat him wehn you realize all you have to do is engage from afar (or near if shielded with oak) and pile on the burst damage. UB is screwed when hit with burst damage at high level.