Quoting lulapilgrim,
reply 34
Check out the American Humanist Association. They are the ones behind the Godless holiday campaign. They are the ones who say morality doesn't come from God's revealed religion, but that it comes from individuals. They are the ones who claim the only moral benchmark is what men and women posit to be right and wrong.
Quoting Smoothseas,
reply 38
They are a business who represent at best a few people in this world of 7 billion and counting. A lobbying business to be exact and no where near as powerful as the Jewish or Catholic Lobbies that litter K Street. Why do you fear them so much? They are rather inconsequential in the scheme of things.
This is short sightedness.
The American Humanist Association are workers of the new world order. Their persistance that believing in God and following His laws is an obstacle to progress is far from being inconsequential. While I don't fear them, I do fear their work supporting the systematic assault on the basic principles of traditional morality.
Quoting Smoothseas,
reply 38
A lobbying business to be exact and no where near as powerful as the Jewish or Catholic Lobbies that litter K Street.
Powerful as the Jewish and Catholic lobbies? Care to explain "powerful"?
The evidence suggests that human morality is subjective and that nations which have a larger population of Freethinkers (people who use scientific knowledge and reason to gain their knowledge and to formulate their opinions) are, on average, more societally healthy than nations with large amounts of religious belief. For example: regarding HIV/AIDS infection rates, the highly religious nations of Africa (mostly Muslim and Christian) have incredibly high infection rates, conversely, the highly irreligious nations of Western Europe such as those of Scandinavia -where public sex education is supported and birth control is widely accessible-fared the best, experiencing among the lowest rates of AIDS and HIV infection in the world.
In nearly every measure of societal health, Freethinking 'Godless' nations fare the best in the world and god fearing nations fare the worst, on average, however the one measure of societal health that religious nations fare better on average than Freethinking ones is suicide.
Now the AHA are working to create a 'new world order', a new world of freedom and liberty in which those who've been oppressed under religion's yoke for centuries, women, homosexuals, children, and minorities can be free to live their lives without being afraid of verbal or physical abuse.
Back to morality: human morality is subjective, for example: actions considered moral in the Old Testament, executing POWs, prostitutes, disobedient children and adulterers appear to us as being horrid and immoral. In fact, have you ever heard of the Mosuo? They are an ethnic group in the PRC and they are unique for their courtship traditions, they have 'walking marriages', what they call 'zou hun'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo)
I'd like to ask you question, If I may: how do you explain the fact that, compared to the other developed, industrialized, democratic nations, societal health in the U.S. plummets, even though we are a very religious God fearing nation and the other developed nations are Freethinking 'Godless' nations?
