Poisoned Blood and LE Build

Hey

First question is easy. If you give final hit and kill enemy (doesn't matter with which demigod and in what state you are: dead, out of range, etc), you get gold. So yes, you can kill an enemy with poisoned blood when you are dead and get gold. It might not write in score that you got kill, but you'll get gold no doubt (and that is what is important, not the +1 in your kills score). However if you don't do a finishing hit, you might get an assisst, but no gold while you are dead.

Second question is not for me... but still. My opinion about skills is:

Bite - reduces armor, deals damage, heals you. Armor reduce is good in combo with anything dealing damage - ashkandor, minions, giants, towers, etc.

Mist - perfect skill to remove debuffs (spit, mark of betrayer, snipe tracker, etc), force enemy change target, force enemy to retreat when attacking with your minions while in miist, avoid skills like hammer, fireball, etc... 1 point is enough I think, but again - my opinon.

Mass Charm - well mass stun... good for relocking, stunning whole team, saving teammates, immobilizing enemy for your minion damage, scaring enemy, stunning minions (a lot longer time against minions than demigods).

Cannot remember name, but skill, which adds more nightwalkers for Erebus. By default he has 2 nightwalkers, but with 1 point, you can have 6. Then later ones add +2 each, but first gives +4, so... More damage per second + health shield against towers, demigods, etc.

Bat swarm - catch, escape, avoid skills, kill, etc. Very versatile skill.

Poisoned blood - small life regen (compare to Sedna's 1 point regen skills). And damaging skill, which works only after death. It is incredibly good if you are not using Uberfix and know what you're doing (facepalm to Uberfix not wanting to use players). Go die to towers and your poisoned blood will drop (no gold for enemies). Someone from your team gets low health while not damaged by enemy demigods in last ~10 seconds and drinks your blood. You get gold for killing your teammate. Sort of not fair, but maybe that would make players want to use Uberfix a bit more. With Uberfix I think it heals allies instead or something, so such thing won't work. Against great players tough to be walking low on hp to suicide like that also. But besides this, this skill is not so great in my opinion, so can be delayed for later levels. 10 level poisoned blood at least deals decent damage instead of low ~750 (I think) earlier. Also, it is possible to know if you are using poisoned blood or not at later levels if you don't upgrade it to level 2 at level 10 and you die. Or any player can just test it and very rarely later on fall for it. But having that in mind, you can not get this skill early on and other players will still be afraid to get your potions, thus letting you heal yourself if needed with your earlier potion.

There is also vampiric Aura, which is not bad (gives everyone around life steal aura), something after mass charm to increase cooldowns. So you need earlier skills to get those.

I'm not pointing at skills, as I don't really know which would be good for you, but giving basic ideas about skills, so depending on situation, you could take, what you think is needed then. For example what first skill do you take? Bite if against someone weak, mist if against something like ub or being someone, who receives more damage and is mainly assisting, etc. I play probably more a hybrid Erebus, as Bite + minions is tough power, but most skills are of an assassin type.

I am rarely playing Erebus, so all of the above might be not good/incorrect and is just my personal opinion.

hey,

thanks for the quick answer, eventhough you didnt have to describe every skill.

dark cheats!

Yes she does (did in two games and I am still waiting for bugs to be fixed). I have a replay to prove that if needed (actually got two). Anyone knows anything about if it is possible to have uberfix on in Pantheon (not that I care or play there often, but just curious)?

Not many players are doing that (if they are), but it is easily possible even accidently (for example ooze suicides, which are a pain after trying to kill 3v1 that being and getting nothing). I remember possibility of uberfix being as a part of a demigod update or something... Is it still possible or not anymore?

Imagine an easily possible scenario, where cheating (not actually sure if it should be called like that. More like unnintentional action due to poor testing) when erebus runs to his base and gets sniped. He died. Next time he is in same situation, he could drink his potion and get a kill? What the hell? It is sort of unfair. Same with ooze suicides, but people are happy to play him, so they are fine with that. If I played Erebus and farmed myself over and over, I'd be called a something like bug abuser/cheater,etc (above zen_god's post is about anyway his lost match in pantheon due to 2v1, so i just experimented there a bit). Would people start using uberfix instead? I guess answer is simple - no. It would get me banned or something for the thing, which is not really my fault. Why can't I drink my potion? Anything specifically written about that? What if I wanted it to heal, but instead it killed me and I got gold. When fights are serious I could even forget (or pretend to forget) that the potion is actually poisoned and instead of someone getting a kill + assists, they would only get assists, and I'd get a kill thus making a battle unfair.

This is one of the reasons why I hate playing Erebus and Beast. It is too easy to "cheat" with them (well I could stop using poisoned blood and ooze completely). So to prevent all accidental cheats, it is safer to never play them at all. I guess I am done with those two demigods until they are fixed or Uberfix is used.

As for my explanation of skills, well I described, probably, all uses I've got for them (maybe some you didn't know or something).

Its quite rare that I level up mist to the max.  Its actually quite powerful and gives a good amount of staying power for troops and allied dgs... but you can't contribute to the fight if you are going perma mist.  Just getting 1 level is sufficient and sometimes I don't get that all.

I typically max out mass charm/bite/and late, I max out poisoned blood for the lifesteal aura.  Batswarm 3 is generally useless.  I stick with bs2. 

Bite priority, mist level 1 , bat swarm lvl 2(level it whenever available), mass charm the rest. This is for 2v2 and 3v3. Go minions instead of mass charm for 1v1. if enemy lacks aoe, you can get minions for damage increase.

If you got qot in your team, bite and spikes will also help your minions do good amount of damage. but mass charm is better most cases. You dont need to waste your time, getting minions and they are'nt as fast as you are so unless you are tping in with minions, those points on minions will be insignificant. I don't take poison blood before maxing out mass charm.

I don't think i ever tried it in a serious match but leveling mist after mass charm might actually be good. I really wanna do a full mist build now, i wish i had a smurf account. People will hate me if i do it with the win ratio i got.

Orcun, I won't Do with me

Yeah - just give it a try.  All in fun. 

Well as I said before, I was mainly talking about lategame.

Normally I level something like this:

1) Mist (especially good against UB and TB on first encounter)

2) Bite

3) Coven

4) Bite 2

5) Bat Swarm

6) Mass Charm

7) Bite 3

8) Mass Charm 2

9) Mass Charm 3

10) Bat Swam 2

11) Bite 4

12) Mass Charm 4

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Now comes the part I was talking about. Of course I max Mass charm at level 15 but now I have 7 skills left. I could now decide to max out minions (but without morale) or I could nearly max out both: Blood or Mist. Another option would be to forget about Coven at level 3 and simply max both, but since you reach level 20 very rarely and its a good early/mid game skill this seems like a poor tradeoff.

Items:

Faceguard / Crown / Nimoth / Unbreakable Boots / Nature's Reckoning / Monk and Demolisher Idols  /// Grofling and/or Armor of Vengeance

hehe - good idea. Always fun to come up with something badass in favormod.  Methinks I need to get some more games using that soon. With regards to favor mod, more than a few folks.

Anyway, back to topic - I think you already made the most important decision - maxing mass charm right at 15.  My goals are always to try to level mass charm/bite at about the same rate.  I typically go to max poisoned blood for the life steal aura after that, but I don't think its a huge gain.  I rarely max mist.  Throwing more points into coven wouldn't hurt. 

NT

blah its hard to type on these forums with my evo.  umm mybones used to do forever mist on cataract and easier on exile.  it was without favormod and hilarious tower pushingor bait for my ub!

don't you go blood 90% of the time, though? 

Perma mist is fine, but I doubt you can do much with it in a competitive game.  Its certainly a bit easier to use on exile, but on cata, not all that viable unless you are WAAAAYYYYY ahead.  At least in my experience.

ah... point.

Some people love playing minion builds (sebiel)  i reckon its for pussies.. Dont be a pussy play like a man.

Sounds like someone got owned by minions

but seriously its hard to pull off against good players but it does have its rewards.

but seriously its hard to pull off against good players but it does have its rewards.[/quote]

Im sure it does but there are some guys out there who play the same minion build every time does the same thing every game and its just getting very boring and annoying. And we usually beat them but still its annoying early game.

Late game, muddle @level 15 should be priority one

Path 1: Poisoned Blood for Lifesteal Aura
Path 2: Max Mist to get Bloody Haze and its 10% dodge (a nice trait if there is an ashkandor in play). Mist IV is also a nice way to deal with a large buildup of troops.

You should not start down path 1 or path 2 until you maxed the essentials

Max Bite (4 points)
Mass Charm (4 points) + Muddle@15 (1 point)
Bat Swarm 2 (2 points)
Mist 1 (1 point)
Coven 1 (1 point)

Hey look at that, 13 points spent, and your 2 options take 7 points

Were you around before HoB got nerfed? I can't remember... but if you weren't don't talk about annoying minion builds . Also, play with Peter sometime hahahaha